Inside Fox's 36 180 FIT RC2 Cartridge - Eurobike 2010

Sep 9, 2010 at 11:07
by Mike Levy  
Fox was showing off a very cool cutaway of the new FIT RC2 cartridge that is used in select 36 160 mm and 180 mm forks. We took the opportunity to catch up with Fox's Mario Galasso and put together a great video explaining what is going on inside your Fox fork as it follows the terrain.

Put on your learning hat and check out the video and photos inside. Because knowledge is power!

Read on...
Watch the video to see what's going on inside Fox's FIT RC2 cartridge

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Fox had this very cool cutaway on display showing the insides of the FIT RC2 cartridge that is used in some of their 36 180 mm and 160 mm forks. For 2011 the new cartridge is inverted from the previous year, with the compression assembly and bladder now residing at the top of the leg and the rebound being found at the bottom. While this photo makes the internals look quite complicated - which of course they are - once you get a handle on the technology it will become much more clear. If you look closely at the photo above you should be able to spot the rubber bladder which sits just inside of the stanchion tube walls. The bladder serves to compensate for the oil displaced by the damping rod entering the cartridge. Because there is close to zero air within the oil filled cartridge, there needs to be space for the extra volume to go to as the rod enters the cart, which the rubber bladder accomplishes by expanding. The large gold colored spring at the center of the fork is the high speed compression spring. Turning the H/S dial atop the fork leg preloads this spring which holds down the shims that control the high speed oil flow. The more preload on the shims, the higher the oil force needed to flex them and the more high speed compression damping you'll have. Moving further down into the fork you may notice a second smaller diameter spring that is holding a single large diameter shim in place. This acts as the compression check valve, letting oil flow freely during the rebound stroke, but forcing the same oil through the compression assembly when the fork is being compressed. Not shown in this photo is the fork's hydraulic bottom out which is found on the coil sprung models, but absent on the air versions due to the air spring's inherent rising rate as the fork is compressed and volume decreases.

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Compare this labeled photo to the cutaway shot above in order to better understand each part that makes up the FIT RC2 cartridge. While it's easier to just jump on your bike and shred, some basic knowledge of just what is happening inside your suspension as you ride is good to know and can aid in proper setup. Get your geek on and watch the video, study the words and photos, and impress your friends.




Learn more about Fox's slippery Kashima coating

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Kashima goodness as found on Fox's 36 lineup of forks. By adding Kashima coating to the stanchion tubes of select models, Fox aims to both increase suspension activity by limiting friction between the upper tubes and the seals and bushings, as well as increasing the working life of the stanchions themselves. Oh ya, it looks great as well.


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52 Comments
  • 25 7
 that first video is terribly confusing. all he would have had to say was that Fox makes it and i should buy it n i'd be sold
  • 33 0
 mtbkr,

To each his own, but a big part of the sport for me is understanding the technology that lets us shred so hard. Maybe I'm just a nerd?
  • 18 3
 no, don't get me wrong. i think its freakin siiick that riding has progressed so much even in the just the last 3 years. I'm just saying that Fox doesn't even have to explain all of the orgasmic awesomeness they put into every new advance on their product line. I'm always going to buy fox and will never buy another fork brand.
  • 11 5
 another thing is: it is so advanced that there is no way you can understand it from the single vid. They would need to release like 10 installment blog here so someone might get some deeper idea. I do believe it works though and every single piece there is necessary for making the product perform better than ever.

Joe Graney from Santa Cruz spent like 3 installments on explaining VPP and bicycle suspension in general (virtual pivot migration, spring rates, leverage ratios, bearings etc.) and I still don't get most of it... and I consider myself as a bike tech geek.

I have my own message to everybody! People! Buy 36 160 Talas RC2 in large quantities! These are the best forks on the market! then please: get bored fast! so I can get one from ebay... I do it just for the sake of the environment, second hand FTW!
  • 1 0
 I have the cartridge in my fork, it seems to work great but I don't have an older fox to compare it to.
  • 3 0
 My Fox 40 fit Rc2 2010 is not working good,have a feeling that its defectiv Frown
  • 7 0
 I agree with mikelevy, I didn't really find it that confusing. his explanation wasn't bad. just study the pictures for a minute or two and it becomes really clear. i've been curious about suspension for a long time, though.
  • 1 0
 send them to fox then vladislav
  • 1 0
 yes ill do that Smile but i didnt buy it from FOx it came with my bike Big Grin vili send it to were i bought the bike hope they change it!
  • 2 2
 mtbkr123456789 yes, lets all just blindly buy whatever
  • 1 0
 need some fox forks lyk
  • 5 0
 I found his explaination and the cut-away great! I'm just glad companies have gotten away from the hide all attitude, and opened up like this to let us see how it works! This also allows people to understand what is happening when they turn those dials, so they can get the best performance out of the product by being better able to set it up propperly...
  • 2 3
 I wonder how the ride is compared to the old 36's now the oil has moved up the fork...
Baring a few differences the new Fox cartridge is not a million miles away from the 2006 Boxxer cartridge (it does seem better machined though).
As for fit and forget with the rebound, that is because Fox rebound on the older fork is so limited in usable range. I wish the range was better and more usable with them.
Don't get me wrong, I love my 2009 36 Fox Float RC2's.
For me Fox are where it is at for a 160mm (can't comment on 180mm), SC fork, they beat a Lyric hands down, but go bigger and 2010 Boxxers are so much nicer than 40's.
  • 1 0
 that went way over my head. some crazy technology going on in there. fox forks= amazing
  • 1 0
 Shit thats confusing! it must be good then
  • 1 0
 i have no idea what i just saw. but its fox so its cool.
  • 1 0
 While I like to know whats going on inside. I did find the person telling us about it seemed to be more someone re'itterating what he's been told to be happening instead of the engineer that knows for certain what is going on. The marketing chick was even worse. Woot maledbamen impregnation makes kashima coating noticebly better. Try it. Pretty much just restated what the front page of fox's fork web page probably says.
  • 3 0
 I think the video portrays how much design and thought has gone into new generation forks, In a way, knowing this knowledge you can appreciate the high price tags suspension now is coming with. You really do get what you pay for.
  • 1 0
 True. It's easy for people to complain about the price - which is quite high - but then I've found fox forks do offer something higher in quality than most and there simply wasn't forks like this ten years ago to compare these to price-wise. If people can't justify these prices (which must be plenty) there seems to be a few decent forks for half the price, that still do a reasonable job at damping out the trail. A rockshox recon isn't too bad and can be picked up for less than £200. Still, like Kovaldesign I want to see some justified figures regarding kashima and ideally some side by side tests with non-kashima if that's possible?
  • 2 0
 We will never see the figures, the whole point of new coating in my opinion is to visually mark the difference between the 2011 line and older products + to have another excuse for high prices.
  • 3 0
 Sure there is a TON that goes into the design of these forks. The part that kills me about the price is that I could get the same part (obviously slightly different) for my dirtbike and it was the same or less, yet way bigger!!!
Simply supply and demand.
  • 1 0
 yeah it's because the motorcycle market is huge compared to mtb suspension market, with much less variation between products and less models.
  • 2 1
 yea, I think I am actualy going to start looking for 2010 36 Talas before there will be only this super expensive Kashima coating around. Just to be very honest... who on earth cares for fork smoothness when you are going fast on rough stuff? Pro guys might, for they are riding at the edge of traction, but me Simpleton from the village? In places where the fight for traction 90% of people fight for survival Smile


The only thing that I am buying here is well separated LSC from HSC in the new Fit cartridge. So te fork stays more active while still having good anti brake dive LSC action. My Lyrik truly sucks with that. Smoothness or brake dive, that's what I can get with Mission Control. Other than this Fox, F-it!

But yes, there is certain number of people that buy stuff for looks and some do it for parking lot tests. Though the last ones should follow Marzocchi for these are the ultimate parking lot supsension performance test winners. These are as plush as a wee Willy meeting a firebreeding whore with a bucket of vaseline Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Okay, '09 Talas 36 over '11 Float 36 w kashima coat; There is a difference. Before, in order to reign in fork dive, i had keep the LSC at full choke, significantly reducing traction/smoothness. In addition, I would always have to fuss with the dampening and pressure to get what I wanted in ride quality. Not as easy when the controls are locked away on the bottom of the fork. It's true that once you set your Pressure/spring rate that you also set your rebound (and forget it). Not so with LSC and HSC. It's great having these controls up top. I'm still fussing to find the exact settings for my frame (travel) but I will say this....I'm having to change the way I ride my stomping grounds because my overall speed and control at speed is higher. Read into that what you like.
  • 1 0
 As I wrote: new FIT cartirdge feels alright, dramatic weight loss is a great plus too. But Kashima seems bit like XTR yumeya, or carbon fibre covers on SRAM X0 and XX shifters: an excessive luxury with a big question mark: are they doing it to increase the performance or the price, really?

Haven't tried it so be welcome to cast the first stone. Obviously not many will ever try the fork with new FIT cartridge with and without Kashima to tell how much does it differ... I'm personaly sad for I could pay a lot for this FIT cartridge and feather weight 2,1kg 36 Talas 160, but this coating: just breaks my balls. I want to shift from RS Lyrik for it does exactly what you wrote about 09 Talas: stability or plushness - can't have both in Lyrik.
  • 1 0
 Hope you guys know that all the pre-2010 36's featured FIT cartridge, then in 2010 the FIT was taken out of the 'R' models. The weight loss in new 2011 models is due to redesigned internals and updated TALAS system.
  • 1 0
 Sell me yours, doo it' Naaauuu!
  • 1 0
 It's my second TALAS RC2 and it's sweeeet, so forget about it until I can get my hands on the second hand 2011's Smile
  • 1 0
 maaah just kiding, shipping from UK to Sweden for a private person is bullocks. I would pay for it the same in total as for new 2011 Big Grin
  • 4 1
 To much Kashima, Kashima and Kashima recently, but what is the exact friction advantage over the previous coating? 0.5% maybe? Give me the figure not marketing bull*hit.
Also I can not see these to be more attractive only becouse it blings almost like gold, it's all the matter of an individual taste, so please stop sying 'it looks great'.
  • 2 0
 It has lubrication advantages because of the micropores it creates. It also happens to be tough. Combine the two factors and it lasts longer, as oil coats the surface better. There is no clear "friction advantage" as the film of oil is reducing the friction/stiction, not newtonian physics.
  • 2 0
 And the it looks kick ass too Razz can't forget that!
  • 2 0
 Also, which ones don't get the Kashima?

its the cheaper aftermarket R models, and all of the OE (original equipment) forks that don't have the Kashima coating

which kinda sucks, if you buy a top of the line complete bike you ain't getting Kashima coating!
  • 5 0
 Mmmmmm, i want some. But my current 36rc2's are just fine..
  • 2 0
 Seems clear to me what the guy says. Doesn't look like a big step over last 5 years, rather than just a minior tweaks and touch ups. It would surely be more clear if you'd have a vid with the process going on.
  • 2 0
 The rebound stopped working on my 2010 40 at Crankworx so I took it to the Fox trailer and they replaced the Fit cartridge with a 2011 one for free! I was pretty stoked
  • 1 0
 Am I the only one that started laughing when she said "our top of the line models" ? I mean, Fox isn't exactly known to make anything else but top of the line products...
Also, which ones don't get the Kashima?
  • 1 0
 anything OEM spec'd wont carry Kashima.. price point for bike manufacturers I guess.
  • 1 0
 I have the 2011 32 talas and its amazing and this vid explains the tec part of it really well bravo fox you guys are the bomb!
  • 1 0
 Kowa have been using Kashima coating on they're forks since the 90's, now that Fox are using it everybody wants it, just shows what marketing can do for you...
  • 2 1
 Don't get me wrong, It's Wicked, but isn't this going to get too high tech for the average joe soon?
  • 1 0
 Mario sounded like an amature sales rep, can't believe Fax actually hired this guy to lead their bicycle Division. LOL
  • 1 0
 I have the 2010 fox float fork and I have no idea how the kashima can be better. I gotta tryoneout though.
  • 2 2
 is it true they fly the stanchions out to japan to get the kashima coating then back to the usa for assembly
way to f**k the environment fox or just global business??
  • 1 0
 Shipping to Japan from CA takes ~7-10 days via great circle routes.
  • 1 0
 Kimbers, The company in Japan is actually protecting what they have. To my knowledge they are the ONLY facility in the world with the rights to Kashima and that has the ability to apply it. ALL manufacturers that use this system ship their stuff to them for coating.
  • 2 0
 kimbers you should stop ordering things online.
  • 1 0
 Oh, so that's why forks are so expensive
  • 2 1
 i have a 2011 fox 36 float rc2 180mm and i tell ya they are faultless
  • 2 0
 Fox keeps stepping it up
  • 1 2
 who wants to buy my fit cartridge from my '11 180 fox float rc2, it fits older 36 models
  • 1 0
 looks very complex.







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