Mike Levy

Riding Trek's Session 9.9 in Whistler - First Impressions

Oct 5, 2011 at 15:27

What better place to debut two new bikes than Whistler, B.C.? Especially if those bikes happen to be Trek's new carbon framed Session 9.9 downhill race rig and the 160mm travel do-it-all Slash. The area's lift serviced terrain is second to none, offering up everything from high speed bermed runs to the most technical of technical singletrack, making it the premier zone to test a downhill bike. But that's not all, just outside the park you'll find all-mountain trails that are filled with sections where'd you'd like to be on a DH rig, only to be followed by steep climbs that will test even the fittest rider's legs. In other words, Trek wanted us to spend our two days in Whistler pushing the new bikes hard. To that end they brought Aaron Gwin, Ross Schenll, Rene Wildhaber and Andrew Shandro for us to try and keep up with, all of whom were on hand to also show us just what the new bikes are capable of.


Trek Session 9.9 and Slash Launch in Whistler, B.C.

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Session 9.9 Downhill Race Bike

Trek Session 9.9 Photo by Sterling Lorence
  There is no point making you wait, this is what you're here to see. Pinkbike had the first and most in depth look at the new carbon fiber Session 9.9 back in July, but our vist to Whistler would be our inaugural ride on the much anticipated machine. To say that I was giddy about throwing a leg over this bike would be an understatement. The frame is entirely new for 2012, with the front triangle, seat stays and EVO Link all being made from carbon fiber. Total weight for the production bike pictured above is just 35lbs, making it the lightest production downhill bike available, and that's completely stock and without any component trickery that would prevent the bike from being a daily ride in the Whistler Bike Park. The frame alone weighs a meager 7.2lbs, including the stock Fox DHX RC4 shock and its steel spring.

Trek hasn't been shy about wanting to create the most capable off the shelf race bike available and to do that it needed to come stock with first-class suspension. As such, the production 9.9 sports Trek-developed proprietary Fox suspension, including a radical Fox Hybrid Air fork that uses an air-assist spring that you'll find only on the 9.9, and a custom shock tune that is currently used by the TWR team. Both get the full Kashima treatment as well. If you purchase the 9.9 as your race bike you now officially have no equipement excuses.


SESSION 9.9 FRAME DETAILS:

• Intended use: Downhill racing
• All new carbon frame
• Carbon EVO Link and seat stays
• 210mm of rear wheel travel (up 10mm from last year)
• Tapered E2 1-1/8'' - 1.5'' head tube
• Frame is approx. 800 grams lighter than the TWR team's aluminum version
• ISCG-05 chain guide tabs
• 12 x 157 ABP DH rear axle spacing (slotted 150mm rear end for easier wheel alignment, can also accept standard 150mm wheels)
• Internal or external cable routing for both brake and derailleur
• Custom Fox RC4 shock with TWR tune
• Adjustable geometry allows head angle range from 62.5 to 65.4 degrees
• Revised suspension rate for better square bump performance
• Frame weight: 7.2lbs (w/ Fox DHX RC4 shock with a steel spring)

The bike's low weight and suspension is only part of the story, with its adjustability also playing a big role in its performance. Between the Session's Mino Link system (rotatable chips used to attach the seat stays to the EVO Link, pictured to the right ), the Cane Creek AngleSet headset that comes stock, and 12mm of adjustability in the Fox fork’s axle-to-crown length, the new Session has over 28 geometry settings. This unique combination of adjustability provides 1/3 of a degree adjustments at the head tube, and bottom bracket adjustments down to the mm. Excessive? Certainly not, considering the bike's intentions as a top tier race machine. It should also be stressed that although using a combination of the Mino Link and AngleSet allows you to select a head angle between 62.5 to 65.4 degrees, the Mino Link's prime intention is to tune the suspension by varying the leverage ratio to either devour square edge impacts or to pop, enabling the rider to clear rough sections with ease. The AngleSet and axle-to-crown length compensate for the geometry changes made by altering the Mino Link.


Trek Session 9.9. Photo by Sterling Lorence
  While the layout may look the same as previous years, closer examination reveals slight changes to the pivot locations that have been made, enhancing the bike's ability to handle those square momentum killing impacts. The main swingarm pivot is still in the same location relative to the bottom bracket, but both the EVO Link rocker's shock pivot and seat-stay pivot locations have been changed slightly. Trek has also altered the length of the swingarm's 'Full Floater' extension at the lower shock mount. Why? Trek is adamant that the suspension's leverage rate plays a much larger role in allowing the bike to carry momentum over rough ground.

The new design features a slightly flatter rate through the middle of the stroke - where the bike spends a lot of its time - which allows the rear wheel to react quicker to abrupt impacts that try to suck your speed away. In simple terms: the rear wheel can move out of the way faster if the suspension uses a flatter leverage rate, and the faster the rear wheel can move out of the way, the more momentum the bike will carry. That flatter rate also adds an extra 10 mm of rear-wheel travel, upping the total amount to 210 mm. Of course the 9.9 employs Trek's ABP system (right) that allows the dropout pivot to rotate concentrically around the rear axle, limiting the amount of rotation between the caliper and rotor, making for more active suspension under braking, but the design is also interchangeable to accept both common 12 x 150mm hubs and the new 12 x 157mm size.

Trek Session 9.9 Photo by Sterling Lorence
  Trek's Project Flyweight Session 9.9 weighs in at just 28lb 13oz and is built with real world components that any rider can purchase. The Session 9.9 frame weighs a scant 7.2lbs, including it's Fox DHX RC4 shock with a steel spring, making it quite easy to build up a featherweight downhill bike that will blow minds. Trek wanted to demonstrate just how light the 9.9 could be built up without resorting to exotic one-off parts that aren't available to most consumers. Providing that they wanted to spend the money, any rider could put this package together and have a completely rideable bike that is ready for action. In fact, this very sub-29lb Session spent multiple days hammering out laps in the Whistler Bike Park with zero issues. Suspension is an all air affair, with a RockShox Vivid R2C and BoXXer World Cup utilized, and component highlights include SRAM's new XO DH group and a massive 820mm wide (32.28'') Bontrager Rhythm Pro Carbon handlebar.

While there have certainly been some concessions for weight, including the Maxxis Minion tires with their mid weight EXO sidewalls and a lightweight Bontrager wheelset, clever riders will be able to spot opportunities to shave even more grams while keeping the bike completely rideable. The Project Flyweight Session 9.9 is impressive, but it begs the question of just how light is too light? There will never be a consensus to that question, but it must be agreed upon that having a frame so light, especially one that performs as well as the Session 9.9, allows riders the option of running heavier components that may make more sense for their conditions, without ending up with a tank of a bike.

Trek Session 9.9 Photo by Sterling Lorence
  I rode the Session 9.9 on trails that I'm intimately familiar with, having spent the last decade riding the Whistler Bike Park. This gave me a unique perspective of the bike and allowed me to compare it to the massive number of downhill bikes that I've had at the mountain. What did I think of it? Pinkbike left Whistler with our very own Session 9.9 test bike, meaning that you'll have to wait for the full review to learn what I really make of it, but I will say that it is incredibly easy to ride fast. While it can take time to bond with some machines, it was kismet the first time that I let off the bike's XO DH brakes. I've now had plenty more time on my home trails aboard our test bike, giving me the chance to spend some time with the suspension and angle adjustments - stay tuned for a review in the near future.

Chairlift Gwinterview by Mike Levy

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Sometimes it's the smallest of things that catch up with you, even when you are the best of the best. Gwin lost his front teeth thanks to a small wheelie drop gone wrong, but his new chompers are such an exact match that you'd never know unless he took them out. Anyone who has spent time with him would likely agree that he is probably one of the nicest guys on the circuit, but he looks the part of a bruiser with his teeth removed. Maybe he takes them out before each race run to intimidate the Euros? Whatever he is doing, it's working. He finished the season with five World Cup wins, the most by a male racer, and an incredible feat considering that he broke onto the World Cup scene a few seasons ago after riding downhill bikes for roughly eight months. Watch the video interview above to hear is opinion on tracks, the World Champs and what he thinks about racing.

bigquotesAt the end of the day it's just bike racing. So whether you're first or tenth, it really doesn't matter at all. It's just trying to keep a level head and have fun riding bikes. You know, we're super lucky to be able to do this for a living... - Aaron Gwin





Aaron Gwin at Trek Session Carbon Launch in Whistler BC Sept 2011. Photo by Sterling Lorence

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  It is a fact that jumps simply don't get any better than those found on the reworked Crab Apple Hits line. These bad boys are what mountain bike jumps should be: large and in charge, and with lips that send you into orbit without being steep enough to require one of those 20'' wheeled kids bikes. Gwin was clearly comfortable making the most out of the terrain that has been shaped to perfection by the Whistler Bike Park trail crew.

The Session 9.9 was as quiet as could be through here, but I think all of those watching the show were making dirt bike sounds in their head as he passed. Aaron looked so relaxed on these jumps that he made other riders, those who would be considered advanced by anyone's standards, look tentative and as stiff as a board in the air. Watching him would have you believe that flying sideways through the air on a forty foot jump is as simple as could be.

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  Being the rider that he is, Aaron obviously has a bag full of skills. He could literally blast off the face of one jump, sending himself into a flight that looked as if he would need clearance from the FAA, only to squash the next lip so hard that one had to stand back in fear of getting blasted with a spray of dirt and gravel. Regardless of how high in the air he was he would also be bent as hell, with the back end threatening the front for who was going to lead. He may be one of the most dedicated and precise racers of our time, but the boy knows how to have fun as well.

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  Sure, you may have no fear and not take issue with hucking your meat in a race run, but I have some news for you: races are won and lost in the corners. You have absolutely no chance of getting on the top step unless you can absolutely rail those turns, no matter what level you race at. I've had the chance to watch the best slope style riders in the world throw down in person, and while that will always be impressive, seeing Aaron go through a corner, any corner, blew my mind. Telling you that he can corner faster than you can imagine simply doesn't do it justice... It was like watching a Scalextric car come through the trails. He carries so much entry speed into corners that he had us all holding out breaths - ''Does he know that the trail turns?! '' - but the result was always the same: feet up, controlled and on rails. While other riders certainly can make a big show of going through a bend, Gwin does does it efficiently and with no fuss. It seems to be working quite well for him.

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  ''If you go down to the woods today you're in for a big surprise... ''. We had the Teddy Bears Picnic theme song in our head when we stumbled upon some of the most beautiful berms up in Whistler's Garbonzo zone, all looking freshly built within the last few days before our arrival. I'm talking about five and six foot high brown monsters that make you feel stupid for dragging a brake into them - it simply isn't required. The Whistler Bike Park trail crew has been busy late into the bike season sculpting these behemoths for those who happened to find them, and while the WBP is soon closing the mountain to bikes for the season you can be rest assured that some serious berms await your arrival when the snow clears in 2012.

With decades of experience in the world of motocross, not to mention many years spent working on pushing the envelope of mountain bike suspension, Trek's Jose Gonzalez has been one of the major reasons for the success of their recent full suspension designs. Jose is part of a team of engineers known as the Advance Concept Group, or ACG, who's job it is to constantly raise the the performance status quo. Jose, along with Eli Krahenbuhl, primarily focus on suspension, often working on products that we won't see for a full year or two down the road. He and Eli were in Whistler to not only educate us on the 9.9's Fox 40 Hybrid Air fork and TWR tune equipped rear shock, but also to get some time in on his creations in the perfect testing environment.
bigquotesOur goal was to create a bike that any rider could use on the World Cup circuit and not be held back. We feel that the stock Session 9.9 will actually outperform many factory race bikes, it's that dialed, off the shelf. - Jose Gonzalez, Trek suspension engineer

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  Trek is a big company, there is no reason to deny that, but it is also fact that these boys shred. Sure, Shandro and Gwin can hang with the big boys, but the rest of the crew are no slouches either. From left, Scott Daubert, Jose Gonzalez, Gwin, John Riley, Dylan Howes and Andrew Shandro spent the entire day riding the lift and banging out hot laps like each one would be their last for the season.


Trek's new 160mm travel Slash

Trek Slash Launch in Whistler BC Sept 2011. Photo by Sterling Lorence
  While the Session 9.9 will surely attract the most attention, the new Slash deserves some time in the spotlight as well. The 160mm bike replaces the Scratch and is intended to let those aggressive riders who like to get rowdy to still pedal to the summit. That concept may not be a new, but the execution of it gets better and better every year. The Slash blends the technology found on both the Remedy and Session into a package that weighs in around the 30lb mark, and looks as if it will just as happy on a day long epic as it would at your local jump and drop zone.

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.

How do you best get a feel for a bike like the Slash? Easy, you have Whistler open up one of their highest chairlifts, the Peak Chair, for our select group of media friends and pro riders to get dropped off at the very tip top of the worlds most famous bike park. But we'd be avoiding the crowds in the park and heading down Khyber Pass, a burly trail that is named after the forbidding mountain pass linking Afghanistan and Pakistan. From there we'd drop into Babylon, followed by some lightening fast singletrack that would spit us out at the lake in the Whistler Valley roughly 7,000 feet below. It wouldn't be all downhill though, not even close, as there were plenty of steep pitches to power up and keep you breathing heavy. I've had a great Summer on the bike, having had the chance to ride a number of new-to-me trails that I'd happily trade a close family member to ride just one more time, but our route down Khyber Pass sits at the top of my ''to do again'' list.



Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  Shandro in his element, high up in the Whistler alpine letting the Slash run. There is something about being in the alpine this is special, no matter how many times you've done it. Part of you wants to tear the trail a new one, knowing that you don't often get the chance to do so in such a place. But the other half wants you to ease up, take in the scenery and enjoy the moment. Shandro leaning toward the former option in the photo above.

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  Sure, we took the lift up, but that doesn't mean that we didn't still get spanked on a few of the trail's steep climbs. Giving the Fox fork's Talas dial a turn did wonders to allow the Slash to hold a line up these sudden pitches, letting me concentrate on putting the power down instead of dealing with a wandering front wheel (left). Thankfully, there was far more descending than climbing, all of which was ridden at mach chicken by Trek enduro rider and mustache aficionado Ross Schnell. (right)

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  There are plenty of sphincter tightening moves on the Khyber Pass trail, but the flow is also easy to find, especially once we got into it and began to roll through the burliest of sections blind. Collective whoops and hollers rang through the dusty forest as our group cleaned section after section without incident, letting the green bike carry momentum over the roots and steep rocks on the trail. While I'll admit to being an advocate of riding shorter travel bikes than most would prefer, letting skill and line choice take the place of suspension travel, I'd hesitate to roll into Khyber Pass on a bike that is smaller than the Slash. In fact, I would say that the 160mm bike felt spot on for the days ride, feeling much like a mini DH bike in the difficult bits, but still allowing you to pump the rollers and spin up the climbs.

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  No one said anything about having to rappel on the day's ride. Although this near vertical rock face was certainly rideable, no one in our group wanted to roll the dice. Given how far we were out in the bush this was likely a smart decision. While I was disappointed to not nail through this line, I was quietly relieved when the entire group made the same choice. Teamwork came into play here as we formed a chain, passing the bikes down from person to person over the precipice, followed by each of us gingerly working our way down to our steeds with the help of a rope.

Trek camp Whistler. Photos by Sterling Lorence.
  Ross Schnell with Black Tusk in the background. The 'Tusk is all that remains of a volcano that was said to be active over one million years ago, long having eroded away to leave the harder lava core that can be seen from miles away. Part of the Garibaldi Range, its summit sits at 7,608ft high and makes for quite an imposing backdrop.

Photography by Sterling Lorence
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Stay tuned for a full review of the Session 9.9



169 Comments

  • + 66
flag derrie (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:19)
 28 pounds....28 mothaf*ckin pounds. I have xc bikes that weigh wayy more than that. Just got dayammmmm
  • + 42
flag gordon2456 (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:24)
 I remember when less then 35lbs was a big deal, oh yeah, that was a less than a year ago!
  • + 23
flag seraph (Oct 7, 2011 at 1:06)
 2 lbs heavier than my Chameleon. Eek
  • + 62
flag TheUnchosenOne (Oct 7, 2011 at 2:28)
 Why cant you guys use useful units -.- But definitely a really good weight
  • + 19
flag staike (Oct 7, 2011 at 4:55)
 divide by 2,2. not so hard to do
  • + 4
flag xpirimint (Oct 7, 2011 at 5:20)
 I hope this ones stronger than the session
  • + 10
flag charlie079 (Oct 7, 2011 at 5:30)
 Just under 13kg if im right.
  • + 7
flag Dusterr (Oct 7, 2011 at 5:43)
 Why is a light Downhill bike good? shouldnt it be the heavier the better because it roles faster and stays on the ground easier? Thats what i wonder and not what im sure of and obviously it must be that a light bike is the better but why? The Trek Session 9.9 is now my dream bike (:
  • + 3
flag charlie079 (Oct 7, 2011 at 5:52)
 The lighter it is the easier it is to throw round corners, and a heavier bike wont roll faster. Gravity has more of a effect on it but the rolling resistance should be more if Im right.
  • + 6
flag taletotell (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:03)
 @ Dusterr and Chalie079: Chalie has it right. Heavier breaks through wind resistance better, but you supply most of the weight, not your bike. Plus at the speeds you'll most commonly hit the bike is plenty aerodynamic. Lighter allows for more control, more reactive suspension, and more flickability for having fun. Much as I don't want to like trek, there is a reason they aren't the underdogs. They make great designs.
  • + 14
flag neimbc (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:07)
 Dusterr - A heavier bike will not accelerate as fast - you have to push more weight, so in the corners at the start and anywhere else you need to get on the peddles a lighter bike will get up to speed faster. True, a heavier bike is more stable, will build up momentum and haul a longer section faster towards the end of that section because of the momentum built up. Now, when you go to shut down that momentum, it's tougher to get quickly back up to speed. That's the physics of a bikes weight. The rider on the other hand, has more to do with that bike's performance. So Gwinn on a 28lb bike vs Gwinn on a 32 lb bike - I'd give it to Gwinn on the 28.
Most guys (non pro) on a 28 lb bike vs Gwinn on a 48 lb bike - I'd still give it to Gwinn. Make sense?
  • + 2
flag RobbyBriers Plus (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:20)
 That Session weighs as much as my Nomad carbon. If you look at my speclist, you'll see that I'm not really understanding much of how that is possible, since the fork, the frame, the tires and the wheels are heavier than mine. I admit I use a dropper post, but even then... That's insane.
  • + 4
flag charlie079 (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:23)
 Also, heavier bike = longer braking time. Since you have more weight to stop.
  • + 2
flag olander (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:46)
 as taletotell said you supply most of the weight... how much does Mr. Danny Hart weigh?
  • - 17
flag VTwintips (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:14) (Below Threshold) show comment
 their all mtn bike is just like the 2008 stumpjumper... with a little extra travel.
  • + 3
flag hamncheez (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:17)
 Is a lighter bike really faster? I mean, for most of us we would prefer a funner bike, not too many people here make money off of racing. My dh weighs 42 lbs (pounds, the measurement of freedom, kilos, the measurement of cheese) and would i have more fun or really be faster on a 30lb bike? Have any of u ridden a trials dirtbike? They weigh like 180lbs and have only 6" of travel, about as close to a mountain bike as you can get. Because more of the weight is carried in the frame, the bike itself works the suspension, not your body as much. The 6" of a trials bike is smoother than my fox 40.

Last of all, I weigh 190 pounds, so all my 150-170 pound buddies are already toting around 40 less pounds than me. I've never ridden a really light dh bike, so I'm wondering if anyone out there really has experience in this.

PS Rember trek bikes back in 2006? How ugly and how much they sucked? Now i think that the session is the hottest looking bike out there. What a turnaround.
  • + 2
flag suicidedownhiller (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:36)
 In my experience, the lightest DH bike I've ridden, a 34lb one, would not stay on the ground. It bounced over everything and wouldn't track right to save it's life. Keep in mind I'm also 130lbs, so maybe that's all it was...
  • + 5
flag IanHylands Mod Plus (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:48)
 As Gwin said when I talked to him about it, his race bike is somewhere around 35lbs and is almost too light for him because he's a smaller guy. For someone that's bigger like Minnaar or Peat it may be ok to make it a little lighter.
  • + 2
flag suicidedownhiller (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:58)
 Yeah, that makes sense to me, bikes that feel heavy to my friends always feel freakishly light and bouncy to me. I just don't have enough weight to keep it on the ground haha
  • + 32
flag chubby5000 (Oct 7, 2011 at 9:13)
 Sorry for the C-O-M-B-O B-R-E-A-K-E-R, but Ross' mustache is incredible and deserves a little more recognition than given!!!
  • + 10
flag dom69foco (Oct 7, 2011 at 9:34)
 if there was no air resistance a feather would fall as fast as a piano... don't be pulling that old 'heavier bike is faster' trick
  • + 7
flag IanHylands Mod Plus (Oct 7, 2011 at 9:44)
 @dom69foco it has nothing to do with air resistance, and there are a huge number of mitigating factors that make one bike faster than another, weight is just one of them. And when it comes to downhill there is definitely a point where a bike is too light, so relatively speaking heaver is faster to some extent, it just depends on what you're comparing it too...
  • + 8
flag Dusterr (Oct 7, 2011 at 10:01)
 I dont know why my comment got negprops? Im happy so many answered on my question and now i understand it a little better. Somewhat like Gwin said in the video, It feels like suspension is very important for a light bike to, othwerwise i can imagine it would bounce alot, am i right?
  • + 23
flag IanHylands Mod Plus (Oct 7, 2011 at 10:36)
 It received negative props because there are a lot of arrogant narrow minded people on Pinkbike that automatically give negative props to anyone asking a valid question if they feel that you should already know the answer. Basically to them it's a stupid question, and they can't comprehend that you are actually asking a serious question that you would like to know the answer to. It's unfortunate, but don't pay too much attention to it, 11 people having some sort of issue with the fact that you don't know as much as they pretend to is not great cause for concern. And several people did actually answer your question.
  • + 1
flag charlie079 (Oct 7, 2011 at 10:43)
 As Ian said, its because they don't have the balls to ask a question in case someone thinks they don't know everything about bikes. Which is probably all of the users on here.
  • + 5
flag progression (Oct 7, 2011 at 13:11)
 I'm not sure where I stand on the whole weight issue.Like hamncheez I'm a bigger guy (6'4 200lbs) I rode a Session 88 (38lbs) demo at whistler this year and it was by far the best bike I've ridden. Suspension sucked up everything it was suppose to, but when pedaling, hitting the lip of a jump on Crabapple hits and handled in the air like it was my old transition double (29lbs). But prior to riding the Session my favorite ride in the bikepark was a buddies 1st gen Flatline that had a solid 50lb+ build on it. Considering that I have know idea how much fun I might have on a 35lb 9.9 .
But all in all I think alot of Pinkbike users take weight way too seriously. IMO anyone who isn't competing on a pro/world class level (where those weight differences can actually make a difference) and says that weight is a serious factor for them, just care about bragging rights and industry hype. Because when your enjoying the ride on your favorite trail I can bet the last thing on your mind is how that X9 derailleur or coil shock is weighing you down and that it would be soo much better with an XO and Vivid Air.
If you are, you're doing it wrong
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flag taletotell (Oct 7, 2011 at 14:53)
 My six inch mission weighs around 35lbs and I love it, but my wife's slightly slack xc rig weighs about 25 and it sure does pedal easier, pop up the front end easier, and generally respond quicker. My bike is better for FR, but lighter is better. 10 grams is nothing but 10lbs is a big change.
  • + 1
flag dom69foco (Oct 7, 2011 at 14:56)
 @IanHylands I'm aware that this has nothing to do with air resistance, I was just stating a simple example to show what effect weight has. For me, as long as you can move the bike underneath you easily enough, the weight of the bike is negligable compared to your own weight. As for acceleration and deceleration, that is mostly in the wheels is it not? All in all, not much difference to be had. Gee won a world championship on one of the heaviest bikes in the field, Aaron won on one of the lightest
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flag IanHylands Mod Plus (Oct 7, 2011 at 15:17)
 Sort of correct, but not completely. The wheel weight is important, but we're not comparing a heavy bike with light wheels to a light bike with heavy wheels. I spoke with Gwin and Leov about it when they switched to the lighter carbon bike, and they both had good things to say about the difference in weight. Gee won on a heavy bike yes, but on a track with not much pedaling. A heavy bike tracks better at speed, especially on a rough course. It's quieter, doesn't bounce around as much. But on a pedally course the lighter weight bike will most likely be noticeably faster. It will accelerate faster, go up and over rocks etc a lot faster, and there won't be any difference on the downhills as you have said, except for the bit where it doesn't track as well. And the suspension has definitely made up for that in a lot of ways. Gwin won on a lighter bike, and he's a smaller guy, but he also spent more time than anyone working on suspension with the guys at FOX.

The biggest difference will probably be noticed by people that aren't racing world cups. The average weekend warrior or recreational racer will be way happier pedaling a lighter bike for the most part...
  • + 1
flag liamjumper (Oct 7, 2011 at 17:09)
 Its not gunna make a difference in speed or cornering due to the weight..... You are forgetting the person that rides it aswell so the bikes gunna weigh over 180 pounds deppending on the weight of the person and i dont think 10 pounds is gunna make a difference when it comes to that but a lighter bike will be alot easier on the person riding it.
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flag taletotell (Oct 7, 2011 at 19:52)
 liamjumper: that is true if you are truly "one with the bike", but you adjust your body in relation to the bike constantly to maintain control. Think about what the bike does compared to your body when you are flying down a rough trail, and how you lift the bars here and the tail there. How you angle it a bit to hit those roots or rocks just right. All of that english is easier on a lighter bike. Also your shocks have less trouble bouncing a lighter rear triangle back down.
  • + 1
flag UnisaurProductions (Oct 7, 2011 at 22:54)
 Trek's Session 9.9, the amazing self balancing bike!
  • + 1
flag janvdl15 (Oct 8, 2011 at 1:57)
 Good job its nearly Christmas...
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flag RustyCoyote (Oct 9, 2011 at 10:44)
 I see some valid and relieving points in this. Light can be better, and heavier can be better, it's all in what works for the rider really. I weigh about 145lbs. I have an older AM bike that's light and really easy to pedal around, but bucks me around at a moments notice anytime I get some speed on a down section. That bikes been pretty responsible for some good diggers, yet a buddy of mine considers the same bike his "do it all machine". His 180lbs can load the thing seemingly perfect. And at the other side of the spectrum, my heavier 35lb freeride rig, has turned into my all mountain bike because it just seems to take everything in front of it in stride, and yet my friend hates how he can't get it to respond to anything hes doing. I think it's all in what your comfortable with, and what lines your riding that makes the weight a difference in the end.
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flag carpy95 (Oct 6, 2011 at 18:35)
 Awesome write up Mike, job well done. The Slash 9 is my goal for the summer.
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flag Protour (Oct 7, 2011 at 1:16)
 A good write-up, and nice pics. Increased travel and 28 different geometry settings, impressive.
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flag frdh (Oct 7, 2011 at 2:50)
 28 pounds is crazy, and it doesn't even have an integrated seat post clamp. I'd LOVE to see how a 28lb bike would ride, not many people have felt that im sure..
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flag nhp890 (Oct 7, 2011 at 5:19)
 there was a 28lbs build on an aluminium session 88 with coil suspension somewhere, i think that this trek could be even lighter (that's ridiculous!)
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flag airsoftesneeto (Oct 7, 2011 at 13:26)
 jiudahfuagdfiahuhta sorry my jaw just hit the keyboard. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i want these bikes!!!!!
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flag rhys-the-rider (Oct 7, 2011 at 2:25)
 HOLY MOUSTACHE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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flag kingpin2607 (Oct 7, 2011 at 13:54)
 12,7 kg WTF ? and I Believe that this weight can go under 12 kg ! just one word .... " NUTS ! "
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flag Geodood (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:43)
 Had a bit of a chuckle when Aaron was asked about whether his competitors will train harder as a result of his dominance: "hopefully everybody will do everything they can this offseason, and it'll make for really good, even racing next year, heh heh". His appearance without teeth definitely suits his riding, monstrous!

There's a lot of cool stuff in this article, but the main thing I'm taking away is that a handlebar mustache looks great on the trails.
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flag timmins (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:18)
 Trek has really stepped up their game over the past few years!
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flag alexrieger94 (Oct 7, 2011 at 9:31)
 I haven't lost the game in 5 years... I hate you
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flag hankyman (Oct 7, 2011 at 15:03)
 deleting comments about the game, doesn't make it go away!
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flag hoolydooly (Oct 7, 2011 at 18:20)
 Why would you delete the comments. bloody fun Nazis.
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flag alexrieger94 (Oct 11, 2011 at 13:37)
 Damn, replied to the wrong comment
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flag Piers212 (Oct 16, 2011 at 12:45)
 why did u delete my comment? did u really lose the game??? xD
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flag hoolydooly (Oct 16, 2011 at 21:52)
 Nah it was probably because one of the moderators is a soft cock.
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flag Piers212 (Oct 20, 2011 at 9:31)
 Good Fellah
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flag davidstuartkelly (Oct 7, 2011 at 1:54)
 The First video was beyond awesome all on its own. What a place to ride, it made my heart skip a beat. Simply stunning, the whole article was EXCELLENT. In my opinion it should get Article/Write up of the Month, is there such a thing???. If not then there should be!!!!.
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flag skatejunkie (Oct 7, 2011 at 13:39)
 How do you spell "practise? and "tell us about your at champery?" I'm sure there were more bloopers i didn't catch. Not trying to hate, but a little editing goes a long way to make us bikers look intelligent. Amazing photos though!
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flag adamdigby (Oct 7, 2011 at 23:59)
 Canadians spell "practice" with an "s" like English folk do.
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flag skatejunkie (Oct 8, 2011 at 9:27)
 oh really? ha my bad!
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flag iamamodel (Oct 8, 2011 at 14:31)
 If we are using it in the noun form it is spelled 'practice', if we use it as a verb, it is 'practise', for example: The doctor is in his practice practising medicine.

Licence/license is the same: My licence proves I am licensed to drive.
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flag evomtb (Oct 8, 2011 at 14:34)
 nah english spell it practice, and iamamodel is completely right
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 7, 2011 at 1:41)
 Great interview Mike, really chilled out and hypeless, still full of content Wink
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flag schwimble (Oct 7, 2011 at 13:42)
 mmmmm.......nice bike and all that, it really is, but has anyone seen the price tag on one of these???? 7000 sterling.....thats 9000 euro..ish, and what, like 10 or 11 thousand dollars???? who the fook is dumb enough to pay that sort of money for a push bike????
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flag sledshed (Oct 9, 2011 at 19:25)
 It's a pile of money. Very true. You're getting the lightest production downhill bike with a trek only fox 40 hybrid tho! I don't have the means to purchase it yet... But doesn't mean I don't think it's worth it tho. Btw it's advertised retail price is $8930. I'm not sure who's doing your money exchange for you but I'd totally do it for a slightly better price! Haha
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flag Jimbur (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:09)
 "Giving the Fox fork's Talas dial a turn did wonders to allow the Scratch to hold a line up these sudden pitches, letting me concentrate on putting the power down instead of dealing with a wandering front wheel?"

I am assuming where you said Scratch, you meant Slash? Just a tad confusing...
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:38)
 I think he meant Slash. I'm so stoked to read Mike writing that - I thought it is just me thinking that "moar slack and moar travel on Am bikes" is not a recipe for everything. Sure for downhill I would throw a 180 Fox 36 on my Am bike anytime, but hello, you can't uphill with that on anything else than a fireroad, and fireroad climbing makes uphill pain even more painful. So I stick to adjustable 120-160 to not compromise uphill performance too much. I'm affraid that if companies keep on doing even slacker and lower bikes they will begin a new trend of ALB - A-line biking...
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flag erikkellison (Oct 7, 2011 at 23:37)
 Whether or not you can climb trails on a larger fork depends on your bike's geometry and your expectations. I climb plenty of trails with a 140-180 TALAS on my Mojo HD. Yeah, the XC guys on less travel and steeper geometry are faster, but I still make it up to the top relatively quickly, but the difference lies in the fact that I actually have fun on the downhill. Remember, it's relative.
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flag louis19 (Oct 8, 2011 at 1:55)
 i uphill anything my legs allow, with my S-Works Enduro with a fox float 180 in front...Slack is a good thing in modern bikes with steep seat angle, more relaxed everywhere and more efficient in the long run, than most people think...
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 8, 2011 at 10:26)
 Louis19 if you have 180 float it means you have seat tube angle under 70deg. Then you have a cockpit height almost like a dh racing bike. You can't take any effective pedalling stance as you push pedals too much forwarand you can't hold your back straight,. You cant uphill any technical stuff as bike wants to flip flop and front wheek is wandering like crazy on steep stuff due to slack ha. On top of that I bet you get a numb willy syndrome as all you weight rests on your arse.

I've done that with 170mm 66rc2x, now I have Lyrik U turn. I don't feel problems on downhills with 160 fork, bike doesn't hold me back in any situation I throw it into. Low & slack trail bike is what I find to be the future of amateur gravity riding, much better than a bunch of ppl riding for fun on DH racing rigs. But lowbb high cockpit & slack ht with next to no compromise to uphilling is a marketing fairytale, just as if someone suddenly found this perfect geometry that was right there all the time and we were all blind not to see it.

It is a lot about own preference, but actual difference between 180mm up front and 160 talas dropped to 120 is huge. I can imagine though that 180 talas set to 140 is still at acceptable if someone really feels that 160 travel and this 1 deg of ha less is stopping him from shredding big time
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flag erikkellison (Oct 9, 2011 at 21:55)
 "...if someone really feels that 160 travel and this 1 deg of ha less is stopping him from shredding big time"
There's more than a few of us...
Yeah, I could probably get by with a 160 fork and a steeper setup, but why? Why on earth would I want to compromise my DH performance so I could pedal a little better? I'd much rather have the DH gains from 20mm extra travel and a slacker setup than get the uphill gains from 20mm less travel and a steeper HT angle. To me, then thought seems ludicrous, but hey, to each their own Smile
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 9, 2011 at 23:55)
 Yes I agree with you, I can totaly understand that there are people wanting a 180 fork - I didn't write something like "if someone is so stupid bladi bla..." I was just talking about uphilling a bike with a 180 fixed travel fork which is a bloody tornment, and if you do ride uphills a lot to get to downhills, travel adjustment is worth considering...
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flag louis19 (Oct 10, 2011 at 1:47)
 WAKIdesings, i made a lot of calculations and tried 3 different forks (Specialized E150, fox 160 talas and float 180) before my final choice. The float is also internally tunable from 110mm to 180mm in 10mm increments, but i never made a change because it's perfect, for me, like it is.
The seat tube angle is about 74deg with 180mm fork and 75 with 160mm. It's steeper than my old hardtail and i can feel the difference in pedaling.
The bar height (from the ground), is exactly the same like my old Enduro SL 2008 model (150mm in front) and level with the saddle in full pedaling position. All these in static mode, in dynamic the more sag of 180mm fork, put me even more (a little bit), in lower position. So no problem at all in technical uphill terrain. Maybe with the fork in 160mm it's still easier, but the difference is very small.
The longer wheelbase and heavier fork almost equals the slacker angle, so the "wandering effect" in steep uphill situations, is about the same. I love my "cockpit"...
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flag andrewgrant (Oct 7, 2011 at 13:36)
 I personally think that's a bit too light...would get out of shape super easy and not stick to the trail very well. Especially with a suspension setup like Gwin's. That's where WC-level bike skills comes into play I suppose
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flag Lunabeast (Oct 7, 2011 at 16:15)
 Besides the weight, I like the internal cabling and the ability to adjust the head angle. Trek is definitely moving in the right direction. It will be interesting to see how DH bikes continue to evolve with other manufacturers.
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flag cthorpe (Oct 7, 2011 at 19:18)
 my old DH rig weighed in at 47lbs. my new DH rig weighs 39lbs. in comparing the two. my old rig would plow through rock gardens with ease and was extremely stable. my new rig still does really good in the rough, but it noticeably gets kicked around more. that being said, I do believe there is a limit on how light you can go for DH riding, and it would be different depending on the trails you ride, and the person. but you would reach a point where the bike simply wouldn't track right, and you would lose time. regardless of how quick it changed speed and pedaled. for me i would not go below 35.
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flag webbe (Oct 13, 2011 at 9:52)
 I see your point, however you miss a very important factor; rider weight. The difference in rider weight can and almost always will be hugely varying, the variation in rider weight can be a lot more than bike weight. It is not true to say that heavier riders are better than lighter ones or vice versa, therefore the weight and ability to "plough through" the rough stuff doesn't seem to have be a good argument for a bike becoming too light, just look at Beaumont, Val di sole in 2010, one of the roughest tracks on the circuit and it's fair to say he weighs a fair amount less than Gee, Greg, Peaty or a great deal of the field, a lighter bike enables more agility and once you become used to the lighter bike, there is no reason for that to be a disadvangtage.
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flag cthorpe (Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26)
 i stated that it would differ depending on the person too. however yes, you would eventually get used to the bike weight regardless of it tracking worse or better in various conditions. cheers
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flag ihartmybike (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:16)
 Right now I ride a Remedy 9.7, and from what I've heard, the Slash really does pedal like it. So I'm stoked for the Trek demo to come here cuz I'll be riding it all day. And if I like it, that might be my demo bike at work for the 2012 season.
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flag jonnyqt (Oct 7, 2011 at 5:23)
 I'm not too sure what they are doing with the slash It's pretty much like my 2010 remerdy ..... I think they know they messed up w dropping 10mm travel and some other stuff but still keen to give her a whirl .......

dear Santa I've been a good boy all year can I get a Slash 9 and session 9.9 or If I've been too bad for that how about I hunt your Ass down and gut you like a fish
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flag hockeyhoser (Oct 9, 2011 at 10:06)
 Like the british dude says, "practise" with an 's' is a verb, with an "n" is a noun. It's not just canadians and british (and the commonwealth) who does this, it's also literate americans. Also, the rate of acceleration downhill due to gravity is independent of weight; the amount of traction however, is proportional to weight (friction on wheel at contact with ground = normal force x friction coefficient). The rate of breaking, which is related to momentum, is proportional to mass also. Momentum = mass x velocity.)
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flag trekbro (Oct 9, 2011 at 20:49)
 test rode one of those Slash today, same as the one that Shandro is riding; first, I'm not really impressed with the bike, on the uphills I notice pedal bob, on the downhills felt fine, kinda bottomless, the guys set it up for my weight and felt very squishy all the time, their bontrager and Xo brakes sucked, I think the frame and fork will work with the right set up.
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flag The-Dan-Jones (Oct 8, 2011 at 18:47)
 Very pretty bike, too bad its a price way more than I'd ever consider paying for. I'm all for innovation but it seems like bikes are going for the most expensive options, if I wanted to spend money worrying about grams on grams, I'd be a roadie (not that I shitty on their skill but we've all met those weight weenies).

Also homeboy's tattoo is proof that if life's about decisions he made a wrong one.
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flag lenmerderdenfer (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:52)
 Thank you so very much Aaron, It is nice to see and hear from a true ambassador. Keep it up!

Ride loose,
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flag CTaHu (Oct 7, 2011 at 11:53)
 lol the Slash looks exacly like Specialized Pitch Pro 2011 .. even the colores Big Grin
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flag philaaay (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:32)
 With more bikes coming out in carbon fiber frames, could it possibly be the next standard of mountain biking? It went from steel frames to aluminum - possibly aluminum to carbon fiber in the future? Such a nice bike though!
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flag nfiorito (Oct 7, 2011 at 19:58)
 The photos in this article inspire me. Don't get me wrong, I'm going to go to bed soon and am not going to do anything about it, but I'm still inspired.
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flag KuroHada (Oct 7, 2011 at 17:22)
 That Session is sick, seen one in person. But 9 grand? Yeah I'm not fast enuf to afford one of these.
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flag ihartmybike (Oct 7, 2011 at 18:46)
 I can tell you from experience that the vast majority of people don't pay retail for bikes like this. Either we work at a Trek store and can EP it, or have a friend do it for us lol. Nobody can drop 9 grand on a bike.
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flag KuroHada (Oct 11, 2011 at 15:56)
 I work at a TREK dealer and still wouldn't EP it. Itz a bit to ridiculous jus to save sum lbs.
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flag ihartmybike (Oct 11, 2011 at 18:15)
 Well the guys I work with all EP the top fuel 9.9 and that's really not much lighter than the 9.8, which is more than 2500 less, ridiculous? extremely. But other than what I mentioned, I have no idea who would buy this bike retail..
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flag robinjones (Oct 8, 2011 at 6:52)
 I'm very interested in the slash having ridden the session and loving the way it feels. could i be tempted away from my nomad ? lol
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flag Dark-Energy214 (Oct 7, 2011 at 17:13)
 JUST RIDE UR FLUCKING BIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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flag legend114 (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:04)
 Thresh , if the bike is 35.5 kgs then you must be a f*cking idiot , 35.5 pounds maybe but that is still 7 lb heavier than the session so i have no clue what you are on about get it right before you comment
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flag bebemonk4ever (Oct 8, 2011 at 6:20)
 35.5 kg thats not for real looool the demo 9 its much heavier than the summum and it doesnt wheight that much loool even with heavy material like sun ringle double track rims looool i also believe he meant 35.5 lbs...
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flag donthemagicjuan (Oct 7, 2011 at 2:01)
 Am I the only one that thinks that the slash is nearly the same bike as the 2009 Remedy ???

I mean I'm not complaining, the 09 Remedy is my steed of choice.
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flag brit-100 (Oct 7, 2011 at 2:28)
 Yeah, I'd agree, and I think that's been done deliberately.

09 Remedy's seem to attract a premium used price right now, and perhaps Trek are admitting that moving it to more 'xc trail' was a bit of a mistake?

Anyway, both of these bikes look damn near perfect. 2 new models that hit the 'best in catagory' award straight away. Trek are THE company to beat this year.
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flag ihartmybike (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:19)
 I ride a Remedy and it's not an XC trail bike at all. Coming from the Session 88 straight to the Rem, I can hit it almost as hard as the DH rig and it's holding up amazingly after 1 year. It's definitely not an XC trail bike, it has 6 inches of travel and I ride a 160mm 36 fork. Yes I do take it on trail rides but that's also the bike I ride some light DH trails with.
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flag brit-100 (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49)
 So, you put a Fox 36 fork on yours, rather than the 150mm Fox 32 it came with..? Kind of like, making it a bit more like the older Remedy/newer Slash, with a longer travel fork, slacker HA, etc.

Thanks for proving my point so well.

Anyway, if that particular made-up marketing term doesn't fit with your last ride, then I'm sure you can coin a whole new one for us.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:24)
 XC/trail is a pretty broad subject, definitely broader than downhill, so calling Remedy not a XC/trail bike is a bit of a overstatement in my books, especially that I ride XC/trail with a Nomad with Lyrik Uturn. Most people I know call this kind of riding AM. However AM has mountain in the name while in many locations on the planet you find hilly areas with super rough trails, where using a bike with "so much" travel makes a lot of sense. So I would say for my local trails a Remedy would be a pretty good XC/trail bike.

Slash seems to be a "Nu-school" version of Remedy, just like Stumpy vs Stumpy Evo. It's like Remedy is for those who are old enough that they want a Mercedes, but youngsters prefer Porsche for the same money. It is a more descent friendly bike comparing to Remedy, at the same time less ascent friendly for sure. I think it's just been made aside of Remedy, so that downhillers feel that they have their own trail bike.

I mean, if you put a fixed travel 160 fork on Remedy, that means you are a lot into descending as your cockpit height and headangle are definitely not uphill friendly, they make a hard job even harder. So you might as well get a bike that is slacker and has lower BB.
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flag hamncheez (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:22)
 I was in Moab 2 years ago when Shandro was with some french guys debuting the Scratch for the first time. Is the slash really that different? maybe more of a slopestyle geo than big mountain?
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 7, 2011 at 14:15)
 Scratch is a fr/park bike, a modern hucker, slash is a sniper rifle
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flag ihartmybike (Oct 7, 2011 at 18:43)
 Since I work at a Trek store I've had the privilege to ride all of our full suspension lineup, and I can say that the Scratch is not a bike that you would like unless you really want to climb to the top just to ride down and hit every jump on the way. For anyone that rides for any matter of time and climbs frequently, the scratch is a disaster. I wasn't really a fan of it for just plain riding. But when we took one to the local trails and rode it down some steep hills, with berms and jumps, the bike came to life. I wouldn't exactly say a slopestyle bike (but that's a good use for it), more of just a bike for a freerider that wants to pedal to the top instead of push it up.

The slash (which I have yet to ride, will be riding it on the 15th and 16th), is meant to be "downhill/XC" thus the name slash. just by looking at the geo. I don't think that would be my weapon of choice for any AM riding, I'd stick with my Remedy 9.7. However, I'm still keeping an open mind and dieing to ride it in a week or so!

And @britt-100, I put the 36 on my bike because my 32 Talas (stock fork)was leaking oil and I got hooked up with that, it's heavier and more of a big hit fork but I really love it. as for climbing with the fork, it's not as easy as on my S-fly hardtail lol but I can get the job done. Not much of a speed machine up the hill. it's only about a half inch difference for the fork travel, so it isn't impossible to climb, just slower.

overall, my 2011 Remedy 9.7 is an AM machine, and I don't think my rig or the Slash would be suitable for XC riding. it's very nimble but still a big travel bike.
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flag dbodoggle (Oct 9, 2011 at 23:14)
 Just rode a Slash 9 with the Trek demo wagon down in Moab last week. Such a nice bike - just wish they were reducing the price as much as the weight!
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flag Nobble (Oct 7, 2011 at 22:59)
 I hope the slash is stronger than the scratch, i met a guy at northstar who was sitting at the bottom with his third broken one....
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flag cmacdougall (Nov 24, 2011 at 22:06)
 So I'm using facts in this article for a university research essay...anyone know how to site a pinkbike blog in IEEE format? lawl
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flag BLIPDH (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:22)
 yes, my goals have been fed shit.
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flag Lehel-NS (Oct 7, 2011 at 23:42)
 People yawn TOO MUCH about bike weights.
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flag kickerofelves (Oct 8, 2011 at 8:34)
 "These bad boys are what mountain bike jumps should be: large and in charge, and with lips that send you into orbit without being steep enough to require one of those 20'' wheeled kids bikes." - Mike Levy

Sorry, Mike, but as a rider of all wheel sizes, including that of the 20" variety, I wonder why you feel like you have to take a shot at BMX. Sounds to me like you're like a large number of mountain bikers who have never ridden BMX for a variety of reasons, most of which boil down to not having the cajones. Don't you think it's interesting that many of the people who have and now do dominate the sport of mountain biking ALL have had BMX backgrounds? Gwin, Peat, Lopes, Berrecloth, Kintner, Carter, Chausson, Tomac to name a few. All of these "kids" love to ride bikes, regardless of how big their wheels are and each of them probably do get out on the 20 from time to time.
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flag DownHillCooper (Oct 7, 2011 at 16:57)
 and theres the reason i wear a custom mouth guard
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flag natewynanscreations (Oct 7, 2011 at 19:57)
 was there when they were shooting this, was pretty cool to see larock, gwin, and even had a brief convo with shandro...
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flag jengah (Oct 8, 2011 at 9:17)
 NOMAD or SLASH? Anyone ride both yet?

Also - noticed Gwin is wearing a Bell MX helmet. Not the "Drop" helmet.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 8, 2011 at 12:32)
 Get a Nomad... It will do everything slash does in descent department, but will shine brighter on uphills an all day rides
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flag jengah (Oct 9, 2011 at 8:55)
 You've ridden both?
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flag rzicc (Oct 20, 2011 at 17:56)
 I am going w Slash 9. Havent ridden it, obviously but the Nomad build the same way is too much. Would love to get on carbon but I live in the Front Range of Denver and love riding hard down! Coming from a 2007 Yeti 575, so all the changes, DRVC, Fox 36 stiffer all around, I'll be fine! Plus the 9??? Slick colors! Better warranty, same weight, better company. Not sure if you can go wrong here to be honest though...

BTW - some people were wondering about how much change Trek has made in last few years. Thats because when Lance was riding in the Tours they didn't pay attention too much to MTB. Now the big dogs realized they are missing out. Build a new factory out in Cali, hired a bunch of young smart engineers and tada... here we are today.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 21, 2011 at 1:02)
 I think you will be fine with either of them. Nomad is an incredible allrounder, haven't ridden Slash, but it seems to sit more on downhill side of things. Given a fixed fitness level I am sure that on a race up then down the mountain Nomad would win with Slash, but Slash would be more fun on downhill. It's a matter of priorities. From tech perspective at the end of the day it is 90% the fork determining how allround is your bike, or how the bike will be ridden. It was always like that with hardtails, people sort of forgot about it after we've been flooded with suspension systems hype. It is the fork deciding what's going on with geometry and handling. One can't say - oh it's wrong to put a 150 revelation on slash, or Fox 36 180 on remedy. The bike will still work great, just in a different way.

What we are given these days are ready solutions, things that few years back were fixed by switching some components. People get obsessed with low BB hype, I mean I can't even understand that people believe in a miracle of low BB geometry. Previously you put a big fork on a Am bike, the BB went up. Now they make bikes with BB height nearly the same for 5" bike as for 6" bike - hello! where do people think the travel goes? - Imagination land? - no it means that near bottom out your BB is lower than on "old school" bikes. It all dependson trails you ride, if it's deamn rocky New school bikes might not be the best choice. The only major positive difference in modern geo is actualy seat tube angle, as older bikes, when getting slacker due to the bigger fork, were getting stupid seat angles
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flag bendy (Oct 8, 2011 at 2:47)
 I recon trek should give all us loyal fans a nice new 9.9 to test out as we obviously ride harder than Gwin Wink
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flag Fieldmaster (Oct 8, 2011 at 3:28)
 I cant help myself- gwin is looking like an old guy... especially 4 his real age.
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flag essc831 (Oct 9, 2011 at 11:20)
 looks pretty sick, trek has stepped it up alot over the years and im interested to see what this bike is about
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flag epavichthesavage (Oct 7, 2011 at 17:34)
 it may be 28 pounds
but does it blend?
*troll face
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flag JonnyNorthshore (Oct 7, 2011 at 11:56)
 Soo... The 'out the box' carbon session is over 37lbs yet they can get it to under 29lbs... Confused much?!
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flag eder Plus (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:01)
 I would like to listen the bike sounds instead that noisy crap music.
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flag baca262 (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:06)
 was that a dlc coated stanchion (aka blackbox) lyrik @0:53?

Edit - in the first vid
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flag clemson (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:14)
 ross and rene both are riding for sram/rock shocks....so they got the nice black box stuff....even both have one of 2 rear shockx with are exiting world wide
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flag baca262 (Oct 8, 2011 at 5:51)
 that's cool but i didn't know they were doing dlc coated lyriks too. this could mean that we'll be seeing dlc coated production forks in 2012/2013.
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flag baca262 (Oct 11, 2011 at 14:13)
 did some research, it seems dlc is way too expensive to get into mass production without a steep price. might end up on world cups though, then they'll have a reason to charge it that much.
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flag kanioni (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:29)
 28lbs 3oz, that's roughly 8lbs lighter than my low travel FR bike lol
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flag sanandreas (Oct 7, 2011 at 2:20)
 Bontrager parts on a 8k bike...ridiculous !
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flag thgltch (Oct 7, 2011 at 4:16)
 but who makes 820mm carbon bars?
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flag Chamakazi (Oct 7, 2011 at 4:38)
 ENVE Composites, I'm pretty sure

http://www.enve.com/handlebars/mtb.aspx
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flag trek (Oct 7, 2011 at 5:43)
 Nope. Bontrager.

Not quite on the web yet due to their availability. But they're Bontrager bits.
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flag thgltch (Oct 7, 2011 at 13:49)
 I meant who else but oh well
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flag mbjz (Oct 11, 2011 at 22:07)
 enve's bars are 800mm wide but honestly who needs over 800mm? i had to cut them down. look at most of the wc guys dont run nearly that wide. i think peaty only just started running 750's this year and he is a big dude!
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flag LawsonRaider (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:29)
 This bike is a cure for ED. Shocked at how light it is..7 lbs lighter than my AS-X.
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flag SHARK555 Plus (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:27)
 question: where does kyber pass start?
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flag mud-hucker (Oct 7, 2011 at 1:21)
 You see, it goes like this. You need to make a blood oath to the Biking Gods, swearing never to reveal the location of this precious gem. Failing to keep your oath would be punishable by being suspended from a basket ball hoop by your underwear,(On a hot sunny day in the middle of summer).

Kidding. You can find it on the trail maps. It's a bit of a pain to get to.
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flag Wheelie43 (Oct 7, 2011 at 12:30)
 forget what i would do for a klondike, I would do anything for either one of these bikes
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flag teamdoa (Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49)
 Nice chairlift interview, the best I've heard from Gwin so far.
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flag gt85 (Oct 8, 2011 at 8:52)
 This is the sort of advert I want to watch!
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flag andywardle (Oct 7, 2011 at 4:10)
 good article, spoiled by "one of those 20'' wheeled kids bikes"
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flag bradwalton Plus (Oct 8, 2011 at 6:52)
 super impressive technological advancement
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flag bars (Oct 7, 2011 at 1:46)
 28lbs! Omg.. I thought it's impossible
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flag reecewallace Plus (Oct 11, 2011 at 16:28)
 Earning it Mike! Great write up, both bikes look sick.
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flag BLIPDH (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:13)
 in the first video, i think i came at 2:07
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flag dirtman04 (Oct 10, 2011 at 23:22)
 did they discontinue the scratch or something? the session looks sickkkk
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flag chane-man (Oct 9, 2011 at 15:34)
 that macks me want a slash
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flag bebemonk4ever (Oct 8, 2011 at 6:17)
 9.9???? 9 inches of travel???
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flag NAWL (Oct 9, 2011 at 11:50)
 This isn't the lightest production bike, the 2012 Norco Auruum is 34lbs
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flag chris (Oct 7, 2011 at 1:47)
 what's shandro up to now days?
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flag hoolydooly (Oct 7, 2011 at 18:15)
 Running Summer Gravity Camps and testing stuff for Trek when hes not spending time with his family or riding with his son in the bikepark. what a life.
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flag thebillygoat6000 (Oct 7, 2011 at 4:40)
 ill take a flat black session featherweight please
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flag Ogalosh (Oct 7, 2011 at 10:58)
 My XC bike weighs 28 lbs!
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flag FRMarci31 (Oct 7, 2011 at 12:49)
 How is the song from the first video
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flag egorka (Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37)
 looks like riding bikes does hurt your teeth badly.
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flag r00nee (Oct 7, 2011 at 11:48)
 These reviews are amazing. Great video, awesome pictures, great long read!
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flag mex-rider (Oct 7, 2011 at 11:54)
 How did Mike Levy lose his teeth??? It was in a DH race???
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flag tntracing (Oct 7, 2011 at 14:57)
 cant get enough of gwins wips
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flag JohnnyGent (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:46)
 Trek is seriously doing it big...
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flag Camoguy1 (Oct 7, 2011 at 10:23)
 2:24 in the vid was POD a few days ago
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flag Camoguy1 (Oct 7, 2011 at 10:23)
 ^^Not with gwin though
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flag teamdoa (Oct 8, 2011 at 1:12)
 Looks like a Kona!
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flag shishka (Oct 7, 2011 at 7:26)
 How is the dh bike 28lbs and the scratch trail is 30? Trek getting caught up in the light weight arms race but you can have that 28 lbs dh bike. That wouldn't last very long at my trails. The regular 9.9 at 35 lbs looks sick but still wondering if it going to last more than one season, or stand up to cold weather conditions. Trek def pushing it and with riders like gwin abusing the whole world its hard to argue with their progress.
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flag sousathiago (Oct 7, 2011 at 21:20)
 Plastic Bike Rocks!
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flag chaseman167 (Oct 7, 2011 at 1:53)
 Look at that tash!!!
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flag over9000ninja (Oct 9, 2011 at 15:19)
 slopebike please
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flag friesen12 (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:46)
 I want you.
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flag itank123 (Oct 7, 2011 at 14:27)
 best moustache ever
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flag SHARK555 Plus (Oct 7, 2011 at 0:26)
 Never been to whistler before! for shame!
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flag hamncheez (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:23)
 I was in whistler in July right before krankworx, and it freakin rained the entire time! Now this vid everything looks dry and prime. What a summer! And last night it snowed!
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flag OregonsOwn (Oct 7, 2011 at 10:43)
 my last day of riding there this summer was when it started raining that week!
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flag PhoS (Oct 7, 2011 at 10:50)
 Its perfect right after a rain. Was there 2 weeks ago.
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flag benchwarmer (Oct 7, 2011 at 13:02)
 watch the first vid , in the beginning you can see ... they went to whister instead of whistler ;-)
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flag thresh (Oct 7, 2011 at 3:06)
 hmmm, but Mondraker Summum Pro Team weighs 35.5 kgs which is less.
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flag iainmac-1 (Oct 7, 2011 at 8:39)
 Dude, 35.5 kgs is like, 78 pounds.
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flag adamdigby (Oct 8, 2011 at 0:05)
 I believe he meant 35.5lbs.
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