New Cane Creek AngleSets - Sea Otter 2011

by Mike Levy
Apr 20, 2011 at 10:08

Bikes that use the
Bikes that use the "E2" 44mm upper and 56mm lower head tube bore now have an AngleSet option.


Those riders who ride a Trek, or any other bike that uses a 44 upper bore and 56mm lower bore head tube combined with a tapered steerer fork, should be very happy to see that Cane Creek hasn't forgotten about them, it just took a little bit longer. Trek's Remedy would be the perfect application for this version of the AngleSet, given that Trek steepened the head angle by one degree and shortened the travel up front on the more recent models. This E2 compatible version lets Remedy owners slacken the bike back out to 67 degrees, while still running the stock 150mm travel fork.


Tapered steerer tubes in 44/49mm head tubes are now a go by moving the eccentric to the upper cup.
Tapered steerer tubes in 44/49mm head tubes are now a go by moving the eccentric to the upper cup.


This neon green Santa Cruz's head tube has a 44mm upper bore and a 49mm lower, along with a tapered steerer fork - a blend that used to be a no-go. It is now possible by moving the eccentric from the lower headset cup to the upper. Just like with the new E2 head tube version shown above, the extra height (and therefore an ever so slackened head angle) is compensated for by the eccentric to give it the exact amount of offset desired.


2.5 degrees of adjustment is possible by using an eccentric in both the upper and lower cups.
2.5 degrees of adjustment is possible by using an eccentric in both the upper and lower cups.


Ellsworth's prototype FR180 short travel DH bike had an EC44 cup installed up top and an EC56 in the bottom, both using gimbals, that allowed the bike to be slackened out by a massive 2.5 degrees. They were the only builder at the show using this combination and while it may sound excessive, it really shows how adaptable the AngleSet can make a bike.


Visit the Cane Creek website to learn more about the AngleSet.


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69 Comments

  • + 37
flag joshleb (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:04)
 Or they could make a bike with decent angles to begin with...
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flag mrscruff (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:06)
 nothing wrong with a bit of adjustability
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flag matt7 (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:07) (Below Threshold) show comment
 seriously?
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flag alexblayden (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:21)
 it seams like a pointless product for me because i would buy the right frame and forks in the first place and never see the point of changing head angles depending on the terrain but there is defiantly a gap in the market for this product because i know riders that prefer to spend more time adjusting there bike than actually riding it.
  • + 9
flag dougies (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:30)
 some people do ride at a level where small adjustments can help their riding...
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flag kaveh (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:34) (Below Threshold) show comment
 i think it is good because you can use 18cm fork on a bike who it Designed for 16cm travel fork (for exp reign x)
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flag DARKSTAR63 (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:43)
 I agree with your point, but only to a certain extent. We have gone into this discussion many times - so Im not going in depth here- but in the article Mike Levy points out a PERFECT application for such a device. The Trek Remedy is a sweet bike, but as Mike points out the latest iteration has been steepend. Good for some, but certainly not all. Enter the angleset.
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flag rubbman (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:28)
 Wouldnt the use of a longer fork void the frame warrenty??
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flag DARKSTAR63 (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:48)
 You wouldnt have to, you can use the stock length fork. Putting a longer fork on the bike would effectively change the head angle anyways so you actually prob wouldnt need the angleset. Plus it would void the warranty. Thats whats nice about the angleset.
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flag kaveh (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:52)
 the longer fork void warranty because it changes the front angel and makes more presser on head tube.now with the AngleSets it wont changes the front angel.
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flag DARKSTAR63 (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:32)
 The longer fork actually produces more mechanical leverage on the headtube. It doesnt change the angle of the fork in relation. The angle-set DOES do that.
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flag kaveh (Apr 21, 2011 at 11:15)
 2cm longer fork = 2 degrees slacker head tube
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flag aoneal (Apr 21, 2011 at 7:12)
 Conspiracy theory: Cane Creek owns the mofia and they force all bike manufacturers to construct their bikes with extra steep/slack head angles, forcing us all to buy their products. I was forced to buy one as were many others. Think about it.
  • + 1
flag richierocket (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:33)
 Hmmm, are you paranoid or pointing out a valid point??? Hmmm...
  • + 7
flag taletotell (Apr 21, 2011 at 15:43)
 Sometimes there is no difference except the amount of marijuana consumed.
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flag curtykills (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:14)
 If you think this product is lame because you either need to ride your bike more or the bike should have correct angles to start...You are missing it big time. Course variations, riding styles and for differences all make the big bikes ride different. This is one of the biggest innovations since the external BB. I assure you that if you buy a bike in 2011 forward it will come with an angle set or be a part of the preferred build. I know that if you could have it, if it fit in your frame or you actually could ride one and adjust it, you would run it in a second.
  • + 10
flag cyrix (Apr 21, 2011 at 14:59)
 Welcome to pinkbike. where the teenagers know more than the companies making the products. "IF I DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR IT NO ONE HAS A NEED FOR IT!!!!"
  • + 1
flag waughwilliam (Apr 21, 2011 at 18:09)
 Hahaha. I couldn't agree with you more cyrix
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flag rip8569 (Apr 21, 2011 at 10:10)
 I don't understand the negative comments about the Angleset...if you want a simple set up with no adjustablility, don't buy it or a frame that has it pre-installed. Someone who races or rides a bike to a level that having an adjustable head angle would make a difference has a definite use for this technology. For the average rider it's probably not of much use, but that doesn't mean it has no use to a certain segment of riders.
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flag betsie Plus (Apr 23, 2011 at 11:47)
 What level of rider would this be good for out of curiosity?
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flag monstertiki (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:48)
 Adjustable head angle headsets are great for frames that can take the stress. Good job canecreek for find ways for customers to tweek their geometry on their rigs if they choose to do so.
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  • + 4
flag jovian0ne (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:38)
 Still nothing on the 44/44 angelset? Decline Mag has been the only source to reference it. Can't believe CC wouldn't have it at Sea Otter.
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  • + 1
flag vycious (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:26)
 I have one, its amazing, not to mention all you out there who talk about buying the right setup... what about those of us who don't have a bottomless budget, sponsors or time to research the bikes we buy? This is a great part for those looking to really sharpen their game. PERIOD!
  • + 5
flag richierocket (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:35)
 Man, you should always find time to research a bike you are considering buying or you obviously DO "have a bottomless budget".
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flag HOJJJ (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:14)
 In my opinion, this is just something else to go wrong, bike manufacturers should concentrate on products for the real world, we dont really want adjustability, most people just want something that is reliable, not too expensive to buy, and something that you can just forget about rather than constantly fiddle with.
  • + 0
flag taletotell (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:25)
 I agree with you in the summer when I can just ride and love my bike, but in the winter I find myself wanting more theoretical adjustability. I know it is in my head, but I want it! I'm just glad I can get out and ride again before I end up buying more crap to make my bike better than I need it to be.
  • + 4
flag cyrix (Apr 21, 2011 at 15:01)
 Don't pretend you speak for everyone. I want adjustability, and I would absolutely use this in "the real world" as you call it. Just because you don't have a need/use for a product doesn't mean other people don't. Stop attempting to generalize so much.
  • + 1
flag v3sleeper (Apr 21, 2011 at 19:14)
 On the reliability issue, this may not be the greatest thing to happen to DH. There just seems to be too much banging around. I have a buddy with an angleset and it is kinda wobbly (back and forth) and makes a click click sound when you turn. He owns a bike shop and has been a mechanic for like 15 years so it isn't user error. He has even stated there have been a couple customers with the same issue. On the other hand I have poor friends with only one bicycle who only do light DH/AM type stuff and they have angle adjusting boners.
  • - 2
flag HOJJJ (Apr 22, 2011 at 2:30)
 Thats why I said "most people" you f*cking inbred.
  • + 4
flag ziggyzuggy (Apr 22, 2011 at 2:33)
 vagina adjustability anyone?
  • + 1
flag cyrix (Apr 22, 2011 at 5:41)
 Why you so mad? You made sweeping generalizations and I called you out on it. It's okay, we all make mistakes.
  • + 0
flag HOJJJ (Apr 22, 2011 at 5:49)
 Dude its not a generalisation if I said "in my opinion" and "most people" I was speaking for myself and the people I know and ride with who most certainly couldnt give a shit about a couple of degrees of adjustment to their head angle. I think you should probably take a bit more care in reading other peoples comments before you view your own. Nuff said.
  • + 1
flag jptothetree (Apr 22, 2011 at 11:59)
 Everyone needs to chill out. If you want it in your bike, buy it. If not, don't.
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flag cyrix (Apr 22, 2011 at 13:47)
 "we dont really want adjustability" That's where you tried to speak for all of us buddy.

"most people just want something that is reliable" And another sweeping generalization.

This is fun. I'm having fun.
  • + 4
flag HOJJJ (Apr 23, 2011 at 1:52)
 You know what, i'm not going to get into a pointless childish argument on Pinkbike when I can be doing much better things with my life.

And its "generalisation" by the way.
  • + 0
flag cyrix (Apr 23, 2011 at 5:44)
 Aww kiddo, you don't have to prove to us you have friends. Cheer up, you made a mistake. It's okay.
  • + 2
flag betsie Plus (Apr 23, 2011 at 11:54)
 I am with HOJJJ, how many Mondraker, Scott riders do we all know that use the adjustment, time on the same day etc. to see what works best?

ME: Hi Mr Mondraker rider.
Mr Mondraker: Hi Mr xxxxx
ME: What cups you running
Mr Mondraker: Whatever came in the bike
ME: You tested with any of the other ones
Mr Mondraker: Nah, I just ride my bike
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Mr Mondraker: What they do, how will they make my bike feel
ME: Try em and see
Mr Mondraker: I just ride my bike, not got a clue what any of the dials or settings do.....


Not hating the idea, they are great for the weekend warrior Dh rider, looking for the magic answer to going fast.
Shame it involves the gym, training, fundamentals, riding and not a new headset/bike/fork/wheel etc.
  • + 1
flag HOJJJ (Apr 23, 2011 at 15:29)
 Thank f*ck someone with sense from the UK!
  • + 2
flag taletotell (Apr 23, 2011 at 19:05)
 Is it really generalisation in the UK? We North Americans with our bastardized English spell it generalization.
  • + 2
flag cyrix (Apr 23, 2011 at 19:29)
 Either works taletotell: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generalizing

He just wanted to try to be a grammar nazi. Can't blame him.
  • + 0
flag HOJJJ (Apr 24, 2011 at 2:39)
 Im not sure if you were being sarcastic or not taletotell but it would be "bastardised" Wink
  • + 2
flag taletotell (Apr 24, 2011 at 14:17)
 That is pretty ironic! It is bastardized in the USA Big Grin
  • + 0
flag HOJJJ (Apr 24, 2011 at 23:52)
 Weird Americanisms Big Grin
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flag epic09 (Apr 21, 2011 at 17:47)
 its called niche marketing ladies, not everyone is going to want or need the product however for the select people that do this seems perfect.
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  • + 2
flag mikesanderson (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:29)
 Was there any talk of the 1 1/8th Angleset? this would be a great thing to revitalise older frames.
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flag kodakmike (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:22)
 Somewhere i saw that Cane Creek will have a 1.1/8" angleset soon.Would be nice to slacken my Bullit out another 1*.
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  • + 1
flag CougarBait (Apr 21, 2011 at 13:18)
 Nifty. When are they gonna do an angle set that will fit campy style uppers? (a la Specialized)
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  • + 1
flag bigtard (Apr 21, 2011 at 22:33)
 one of the raddest things ever invented for mountain bikes.most bikes just aren't quite right
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flag Gora (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:24)
 Why the hell brands like Trek or Giant makes bikes with steep angle, for some reson? or they give a sh.t and don't care.
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flag duncanp (Apr 21, 2011 at 6:36)
 no idea.. but my giant trance is surprisingly good fun @ 70.5 degrees... that is until it gets steep
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  • + 2
flag Bananafish (Apr 21, 2011 at 7:08)
 how does 1 degree make any difference at all
  • + 1
flag Willie1 (Apr 21, 2011 at 7:18)
 1deg is a noticeable difference. It isn't night and day but you can feel it.

Warren
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flag taletotell (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:23)
 Considering that 2 degrees is the difference between a FR and an xc on a lot of rigs now (66-6Cool, I think 1 degree would make the difference. I've got a buddy who rides trails on his bike most of the time, but a couple times a year goes to the lift access parks. An angle set for him makes sense.

Personally I just dial the fork travel down on the way up and dial it back up before going down.
  • + 2
flag taletotell (Apr 21, 2011 at 15:42)
 I just noticed it put a stupid smiley on my 68!
  • + 1
flag jptothetree (Apr 22, 2011 at 13:52)
 lol i was wondering
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flag Gora (Apr 22, 2011 at 1:05)
 I change my headset in glory01 for bikecomponents angleset 1,5 and wheelbase is longer 18mm
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flag DH777 (Apr 27, 2011 at 17:36)
 no shit :p
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flag ani5tom (May 19, 2011 at 2:57)
 where could i buy a cane creek angleset ec44-ec56/40
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  • - 3
flag betsie Plus (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:27)
 More marketing bollox for the kids.....

Timing. Sunday with K9 reducer cups - Slowest race runs and worst race result ever.
Timing. V10 with reducer bushings fitted - Slower than stock, tested with Freelap.

I guess the manufacturers know more than me and some internet forum :o)
  • + 7
flag rip8569 (Apr 21, 2011 at 10:05)
 I guess you must be a robot that crushes the same exact run, time after time.
  • + 1
flag mark-evans (Apr 23, 2011 at 7:25)
 as a matter of fact he is... 10110110
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flag betsie Plus (Apr 23, 2011 at 11:42)
 Ok, so I did 5 runs on each for the V10, timing with freelap, last 3 counting only.
Times were within 0.3s on 1min track on the standard setting and 0.5s with the offset bushings.
My times last weekend at the SDA Ae forest were 1.3s apart due to mistakes (gotta hate mistakes on race runs) and the track conditions changing.

As for the Sunday, I came in 0.11s up on people I normally beat by 20s (26s last weekend) or so and well down in my category (6th)

Negative prop the facts all you like, but the facts (for me and my riding) are the facts.
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  • + 1
flag v3sleeper (Apr 21, 2011 at 15:42)
 all i can think about is click click, click click
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  • + 0
flag Gora (Apr 21, 2011 at 8:32)
 1deg is 12mm more in wheelbase in dh bikes
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flag bigburd (Apr 21, 2011 at 9:16)
 Really ? I did wonder how it would affect wheel base , how did you get to that figure? some mathematical equation ? or just tried it out ?
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flag bmdtech (Apr 21, 2011 at 17:50)
 This is a great product for some bikes, with this I can set my Iron Horse 7 point up for a mini DH rig 64 HTA, or a very capable AM rig at 68 HTA. All that only assuming a 2 degree sweep + or - and they are stating 2.5 if you get 2 of the concentric cups. This would let me have a 1 bike solution for a huge variety of terain. Bikes with a 1.5 HT benifit greatly from a product like this. Swap out to lighter weight wheel setup and I have anything from 35 to 40 pound rig.
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