Morpheus Cycles' DJ Prototype - First Look

by Mike Levy
May 10, 2011 at 9:47


The prototype Morpheus looks nothing like the current crop of small tubed, steel hardtail frames that are commonplace at most dirt jump spots and comps. Keep an open mind and look beyond popular frame fashion and you may see a fresh design that can brag about an extremely short rear end and astonishing top tube clearance.
The prototype Morpheus looks nothing like the current crop of small tubed, steel hardtail frames that are commonplace at most dirt jump spots and comps. Keep an open mind and look beyond popular frame fashion and you may see a fresh design that can brag about an extremely short rear end and astonishing top tube clearance.


Morpheus Cycles in NYC is embracing the concept of creating bikes that further the capabilities of the person riding that bike. It a bold statement, but it is hard to criticize when you take a close look at their new DJ Prototype. With chainstay options ranging from 14.5 to 16 inches the frame can be tricked on the dirt jumps or raced competitively on a slalom course. According to Morpheus, the prototype shows class leading potential in areas such as reduced weight, lateral stiffness, top tube clearance and of course, chainstay length. The new Morpheus at first glance, appears to be a trials frame reworked by aliens and then sent back to earth. Let's take a closer look into the concept, meet the designers behind it, and the riders who are helping bring it to life.

Action sports are evolving so fast that in practically every sport from snowboarding to gymnastics people are doing more spins and flips than the year before. Michael Schwartz (owner/founder) of Morpheus Cycles started to study the tuck in various action sports and created an unorthodox approach to jump bike design. The concept was to developed a 26 inch frame that was as compact as most 24 inch dirt jump frames. The geometry requested by the factory riders created major challenges, but Mike and Chief Engineer James Trimble took the geometry requests and shattered them. On the way toward beating every single spec request of the team, Mike and James created some very interesting proprietary features as well.


The bike's designer, James Trimble, set out to create a 26-inch-wheeled frame that is as tightly packaged as a 24-inch dirt jumper.
The bike's designer, James Trimble, set out to create a 26-inch-wheeled frame that is as tightly packaged as a 24-inch dirt jumper.


James Trimble, Chief Engineer of Morpheus Cycles, has little to prove at this point is his career, yet his innovation still impacts the industry. James is arguably the first person to ever create a bike frame out of carbon fiber. In addition, his Trimble racing frames have been banned from the UCI for being too aerodynamic. Turning yet another page, James and Morpheus collaborated to create another ground breaking platform with several proprietary features. The simplicity of the rear dropout designed by James, currently nick named "Telescopic Rear Dropout," provides a wheelbase range between 40.5 and 42 inches. The extended dropout also creates a cantilever effect that is claimed to provide a reduction of harshness upon impact. Morpheus has asked us not to disclose some of the minor details relating to the construction of the dropout system, but promises to provide full details prior to the bike's release in December. Other proprietary features designed by James exist in details of the bottom bracket and hollow, CNC-machined reinforcements welded to the bottom bracket shell. James claims that the production version of this frame will be more laterally stiff than any of its competitors.


The Morpheus chassis has an extraordinarily short rear end.
The Morpheus chassis has an extraordinarily short rear end.


Of course a prototype is meant for testing – Morpheus created three identical proto’s and got them out to several pro-riders and everyday dirt jumpers putting them through the works – pump track manuals to 360 double whips in competition. All the feedback has gone into several changes as they get ready to create the second prototype – a sketch of which you can seen below. Some of the specs and changes from the first to the second proto are: The top tube length increased to 22.2 inches – the top tube angle has also become slightly less drastic – all making for a more comfortable feel in the cockpit. The wheelbase has been lengthened by 1 inch making it adjustable from 41.5 to 43 inches - this will help to increase high-speed stability and slalom racing precision. The head angle has been slackened by half of a degree ensuring the bike is gravity friendly at 68* even. Morpheus also shortened the chainstay to be adjustable from 14.3 – 15.8 inches. The second proto will accommodate all 2.5’’ tires, rather than a 2.35’’.


The second generation of the Morpheus Cycles prototype features a number of geometry changes.
The second generation of the Morpheus Cycles prototype features a number of geometry changes.


As far as some of the concerns Morpheus has gotten from people on the sturdiness of their Telescopic Rear Dropout design – Morpheus’ technology is holding up. Rather than just an attached weld on the TRD, they now have a CNC piece that is welded across the entire distance above the dropout. This not only increases strength, but also increases torsional rigidity by at least 40%. As far as the adjustable piece itself, they use a very unique hard-coat aluminum,


A clever arrangement of machined pieces and tubing allows the rear wheel to be tucked in extremely close to the bottom bracket shell.
A clever arrangement of machined pieces and tubing allows the rear wheel to be tucked in extremely close to the bottom bracket shell.
Sliding, adjustable dropouts have been around for a long time, but Morpheus Cycles takes it to the extreme with their Telescopic Rear Dropout that allows the rear end to dirt jump friendly at just 14.5 inches, or set up for racing at a full extension of 16 inches.
Sliding, adjustable dropouts have been around for a long time, but Morpheus Cycles takes it to the extreme with their Telescopic Rear Dropout that allows the rear end to dirt jump friendly at just 14.5 inches, or set up for racing at a full extension of 16 inches.


After his big win over the weekend at Jamie Goldman's comp we caught up with Morpheus Factory rider Mitch Chubey and he told us the following about the prototype:
bigquotesIt's rolling everything so smooth and because it's such a short and light bike it's easier to spin than any bike I have ridden. It was so sketchy three weeks ago when I got it and then after a couple rides I was able to adjusted to it. It was a more dramatic evolution from our current steel jumper than I had prepared for. Now that I'm adjusted to it, it is completely blowing my mind. It's 23.6 pounds right now with dirt on her and I'm not even sure that should be competition legal.



Morpheus Cycles' Mitch Chubey spinning his way towards winning the Upside Down and Underground contest on his prototype. <i>Photo by Justin Olsen</i>
Morpheus Cycles' Mitch Chubey spinning his way towards winning the Upside Down and Underground contest on his prototype. Photo by Justin Olsen


Stay tuned for more details of the "Name the Morpheus Dirt Jumper Contest" in June. The winner will receive serial number 00001 off the line, custom hard coat anodized with color options FREE. Check out the Morpheus website for more information.


Pinkbike's take: There is no denying that the prototype Morpheus is vastly different from what is popular right now, that being simple looking, steel framed dirt jump bikes. But it looks to offer a shorter rear end than you'll find on the majority of other frames, more stand-over clearance and it has the potential to be lighter as well. Mitch seems to be getting on with it quite well, as he proved by taking the win at Goldman's Upside Down and Underground contest recently, but I suspect that some less open-minded riders will be more set on how the prototype frame looks instead of any advantages it can offer.


Let's hear what you think of Morpheus Cycles' prototype DJ frame - are you a fan of Morpheus' boundary pushing dirt jump frame?
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327 Comments

  • + 256
flag ilja (May 13, 2011 at 0:12)
 I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but....

DAMN!!! That thing is the ugliest bike I've seen in a long time
  • + 76
flag Greenwood102 (May 13, 2011 at 0:14)
 Bet it rides awesome though
  • + 92
flag freerider020 (May 13, 2011 at 0:23)
 I have to agree, I can't comment on how it rides but it might be the ugliest DJ bike I've seen in years. Perhaps even worse then the Acid, which I'm sure we can all agree was just disgusting.
  • + 27
flag KiwiShore66 (May 13, 2011 at 0:27)
 Yea I spewed a little bit
  • + 42
flag Downhill-Christy (May 13, 2011 at 0:37)
 Gotta agree, that bike is definitely not porn...
  • + 19
flag tsimpson1993 (May 13, 2011 at 0:38)
 it's certainly new i'll give it that.
  • + 37
flag SirWonky (May 13, 2011 at 0:40)
 Looks like a mutant hybrid cross between a Trials bike and a Plastic Banana . I'd ride one though........but only if I wore a ski mask with it.
  • + 8
flag willHapa (May 13, 2011 at 1:10)
 i rode the prototype and it rides absoultly amayzing the best bike ive ever pumped and jupmed, you can get soo low to the ground on it and throw it around so easy
  • + 12
flag nut-case (May 13, 2011 at 1:22)
 I have my doubts on the rear wheel clearence.
it seems to small
  • + 72
flag asteezc1 (May 13, 2011 at 1:47)
 am I the only one that kinda wants this bike?
  • + 1
flag StefanGlander (May 13, 2011 at 1:51)
 it looks pretty burly to me....
  • + 8
flag PerryDH (May 13, 2011 at 3:23)
 It looks like a bent BMX modded to take 26" wheels, but that is one hell of a short rear end!
  • + 15
flag arayner Plus (May 13, 2011 at 3:31)
 its got a top like the new jackal, the middle of the acid, and the rear end of god knows what.. but i think that this thing would rip. im going with asteezc1
  • + 6
flag krash8bit (May 13, 2011 at 3:43)
 the engineering is there but at the price of design
  • + 5
flag Zbrodniciel (May 13, 2011 at 4:07)
 That is one fugly motherf...
  • + 16
flag jmbrit (May 13, 2011 at 4:12)
 UGLIER THAN CINDERELLA'S SISTERS!

function over form though.
  • + 11
flag jmbrit (May 13, 2011 at 4:13)
 just don't buckle the back wheel....
  • + 8
flag timfrancis (May 13, 2011 at 4:25)
 I like it! I'm sure it does the job... but I wouldn't trust the drop out set up... looks a little too breakable and potentially flexy.
  • + 10
flag gordon2456 (May 13, 2011 at 5:29)
 If youthink thats ugly, try looking at a Gary Fisher PHD!
  • + 23
flag Greenwood102 (May 13, 2011 at 6:24)
 Fisher PHD

haha Gordon2345 that is a monstrosity on wheels
  • + 6
flag nikoniko (May 13, 2011 at 6:41)
 You guys are crazy this bike looks wicked man!
I would love to ride this little dirt devil!
RidEOn!
  • + 5
flag Ridingwhatican (May 13, 2011 at 6:45)
 i dont think it looks that ugly...its not the cleanest looking bike, it looks a bit unrealistic...but its not too bad i think ?
freerider020 its really mean to compare it to the Acid, the Acid is an actual disaster, nearly as bad as the Gary Fisher XD gordon2456. greenwood102 thanks for the link i couldnt bther to google it. had never seen this...thing? befor.
"Frame
PHD Oversized ZR9000 and 6061 aluminum" oversized ? YA THINK ?
  • + 0
flag Larkey1 (May 13, 2011 at 6:58)
 Looks... ok... but i'm sure it will be great Smile Look
to seeing how they progress!
  • + 3
flag will54869 (May 13, 2011 at 7:32)
 Ya i think it looks sick.
  • + 7
flag jamieSaunders (May 13, 2011 at 7:43)
 i didnt find it ugly.....
  • + 2
flag gordon2456 (May 13, 2011 at 7:59)
 I dont find it ugly either, I just wanted to point out that there are worse looking bikes out there. With that said, I have ridden a PHD and as ugly as they are, they are an awesome ride! I am sure this will ride even better!
  • - 2
flag bathman (May 13, 2011 at 8:10)
 it may be a bit ugly, but is there really any rear wheel strength. the reason the rear triangles are larger and extend to the drop out is to take the forces of hard hits, but from the looks of this, it will take one case or flat landing and then snap.
  • + 1
flag the-masked-rakist (May 13, 2011 at 8:30)
 i thought it looked pretty nice, pretty sure strenght aint a problem as they would of thought of that already considering its the first thing that coems in mind. nevertheless the new frame design could be the norm in say 5 years time if its proven to be benificial.
  • + 0
flag dom69foco (May 13, 2011 at 9:44)
 ^^ armchair engineer bathman, not interested
I think the acid looks way better than this! My mate used to have one. It's not photogenic but its nice in real life
  • + 4
flag suicidedownhiller (May 13, 2011 at 10:54)
 Love this bike! Love the looks, how it'd ride, the weight, the angles, everything. Looks great, sounds even better. Wouldn't mind riding one. Props to morpheus for NOT going with the trend-cycle and creating something new that just plain WORKS.
  • + 0
flag mtbtyrrell (May 13, 2011 at 11:34)
 +those welds on the bb look like whipped cream
  • + 2
flag PitBullRider69 (May 13, 2011 at 13:51)
 i might be wrong but... it looks weak
  • + 1
flag ridesanoldskool (May 13, 2011 at 14:45)
 that thing looks like and gorilla took a shit then stepped in it
  • + 1
flag lamb1 (May 13, 2011 at 15:24)
 it looks like a trials bike mixed with a santa cruz
  • + 1
flag heyburn (May 13, 2011 at 15:40)
 lol I used to have a gary fisher PhD
  • + 1
flag carter-hill (May 13, 2011 at 15:52)
 so muh torsional flex im feelin :/
  • - 8
flag doublerr (May 13, 2011 at 17:27) (Below Threshold) show comment
 ''The bike's designer, James Trimble, set out to create a 26-inch-wheeled frame that is as tightly packaged as a 24-inch dirt jumper.''

why not just get a 24" ?
  • + 3
flag jaydawgz (May 13, 2011 at 18:29)
 A pretty bike doesn't help you ride better.
  • + 2
flag shijinkamisai (May 13, 2011 at 19:27)
 yeah ... its ugly and looks breakable VERY breakable
dont know wtf they were thinking on that rear dropout
im all for interesting and innovative things and it probly rides amazingly
but come on that p o s is fugly as hell
  • + 1
flag pdturbo (May 13, 2011 at 19:38)
 That is a phenomenal design advancement. I want one Smile
  • + 2
flag creed27 (May 13, 2011 at 21:13)
 reminds me of the crakanfails from 15-20 years ago.
  • + 1
flag RavineRiders (May 13, 2011 at 22:58)
 just the idea of how awesome the Geo would feel makes that bike f*cking beautiful
  • + 1
flag theriotact (May 13, 2011 at 23:01)
 that is one hell of a short back end holy crap.. looks pretty interesting, I thought it was a trials frame when I first saw chubey talking about it in a video from sea otter 2011, pretty sweet though
  • + 2
flag damixtape (May 14, 2011 at 0:07)
 chazdog ur right who's comment is below looks mean nothing the reason they want such a short wheel base was for tricks it would make 360's much easier allowing easier flow and better flow when combining tricks and. so why so many haters once u learn a thing or two about geo and get some real biking sence then you can talk
  • + 1
flag mavster (May 14, 2011 at 2:28)
 my giant acid rode well. but short but rode damn well.
  • + 1
flag dh-freeeride (May 14, 2011 at 7:14)
 it's like Marmite, you either love it or hate it! Wink
  • + 1
flag sean-dh (May 14, 2011 at 10:52)
 what is with the rubber on his BB ?
  • + 1
flag matt-bike-baha (May 14, 2011 at 11:53)
 yeah was just thinking the same thing sean-dh, anyone know??
  • + 2
flag theriotact (May 14, 2011 at 13:03)
 I agree with medanic, this thing is gonna be sooooooooooo easy to spin haha
  • + 5
flag dom69foco (May 14, 2011 at 13:10)
 i asked that and Mitch kindly said that it's to stop the cranks spinning in mid-air
  • + 1
flag mgolland45 (May 14, 2011 at 13:14)
 sean-dh its a crankstopper for tailwhips and tailwhip variations. In the article they stated the back end was designed to flex. I wouldnt worry about strength, as long as the junction between the dropout and the triangle is good it will survive fine.
  • + 2
flag eimajy (May 14, 2011 at 15:43)
 i hope these things dont take off, even if they do make a huge advancement to the sport, even if they are as strong as they say they are, purely because they are f*cking ugly. id rather ride a shopping bike
  • + 2
flag Colin994 (May 15, 2011 at 12:28)
 yeah what are you guys talking about i think this frame is beautiful id buy it in a heart beat if it rode as well as they say it does. open your eyes to something new
  • + 1
flag PerryDH (May 15, 2011 at 13:14)
 Yes its BEAUTIFUL but just not the rear end where the axel is not where the chain stay and seat stay meet.
  • + 3
flag bbeaudoin (May 16, 2011 at 0:01)
 It would look better in a cherry red or bright gold maybe matte black
  • + 1
flag Ridingwhatican (May 16, 2011 at 7:53)
 yeh true bbeaudoin, this colour is kinda vomit friendly another bangin colour would make it look better. except for the dropouts they look scary.
  • + 2
flag mgolland45 (May 16, 2011 at 13:50)
 also, as far as strength goes, if mitch chubey thinks its fine im sure youll survive
  • + 1
flag sgsrider (May 19, 2011 at 13:10)
 http://www.transitionbikes.com/NotBikes.cfm Second one in is the crank stopper. much more high tech, but same idea. keeps the cranks from moving on you in the air
  • + 1
flag PitBullRider69 (May 30, 2011 at 14:05)
 Yes this design has been developped by engineers, yes the bike can handle a pro rider, but will it be durable? yes in theory this is strong enough but the dropout is one of the most beaten up part of a frame, it must take almost all the impact of the landing, these pros almost always land their jumps perfectly and anyway they change bike every months or so... but think about it, a "regular" rider who tries new tricks, who case the landing time to time and who wanna keep his frame for a long time cuz its f*ckin expensive, will this dropout last long or will it start to bend, loose up, crack, etc. and piss his rider up? Its just my opinion
  • + 1
flag mgolland45 (May 30, 2011 at 19:06)
 PitBull,

Just to be that guy.... that wasnt an opinion it was a question....
  • + 1
flag PitBullRider69 (May 30, 2011 at 20:30)
 its a questopinion Razz
  • + 1
flag theriotact (Jun 25, 2011 at 23:13)
 I bet someone on 24s or 22s could run this for trials. lolollool
  • + 1
flag sgsrider (Jun 26, 2011 at 0:10)
 it already rides like a 24" dude. the HT is closer to a BMX. but totally trial-able. In fact, I have trials-ridden the demo w/ the propedal stiffened up
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  • + 49
flag chazdog (May 13, 2011 at 2:15)
 Sorry but all the pinkbike 'I can tell how strong things are from a picture' Engineers, need to stup the hell up. This guys an accomplished engineer, and he's going through proper testing under pro riders that go bigger than you can dream off. He will not release a product that wont work. This kind of hating is what slows the industry down, its why disc brakes and suspension took ages to catch on in the beginning, why we only just have carbon dh bikes, when people tried making them ten years ago. Open your eyes, embrace possibilities and dont shut things down out of ignorance.

PO
  • - 5
flag bikebreaker (May 13, 2011 at 2:56) (Below Threshold) show comment
 I thought carbon fatigued quickly?
When I went to buy some carbon DH bars last year I was told that its advised that you replace them yearly due to fatigue.
I didnt buy them in the end, but I dont know how true that is....
  • + 7
flag chazdog (May 13, 2011 at 3:02)
 People have bee running easton carbon bars for years with no issues, and some people have snapped some. It depends, if your a crasher, carbon bars arent great for you. All things break eventually, kinda irrelevant...
  • - 1
flag cyfa89 (May 13, 2011 at 4:55)
 yeah bikebreaker your right
but as chazdog said it will take a while to break (generally)

but the health and safety crew dont want you chasing them when it does break at 13 months or whatever

it will also depend on the type of riding
as i recall, carbon absorbs impacts and can eventually just have too much force built up in it and then shatter

very rare stuff like that happens though
  • + 6
flag dom69foco (May 13, 2011 at 9:48)
 actually carbon doesn't fatigue. if you kept exerting a force on it that was within its safe limit, over and over again, it would last years. it fails when this force is over the safe limit or things like chips and scratches create weak points. aluminium does fatigue! you need to start checking for cracks at about the 5 year mark
  • - 2
flag cyfa89 (May 13, 2011 at 11:56)
 carbon absorbs impacts and can eventually just have too much force built up in it and then shatter
  • + 2
flag damjandamjan (May 13, 2011 at 13:06)
 The only way i can interpret "force build up" is by the term fatique, which was already explained in the post above yours. If you are talking about plastic deformation, every material is weakened after confronting one. If you could better explain yourself using physics terms, go ahead.
  • + 1
flag spaced (May 14, 2011 at 4:49)
 Carbon doesnt absorb impacts. If it's laid correctly so it can not fail in a long string (sorry dont know the eng. term) it shouldnt even fail like people remember from the old days.
  • + 1
flag sol-gh (May 14, 2011 at 11:59)
 Just whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
  • + 0
flag cyfa89 (May 14, 2011 at 12:17)
 yes, so carbon absorbs impacts by slight plastic deformation

then too much and it shatters

spaced, you talking about how the carbon is weaved?
  • + 3
flag damjandamjan (May 14, 2011 at 12:38)
 Plastic deformation means PERMANENT damage. No bicycle material should absorb normal impacts that way.
  • + 4
flag mgolland45 (May 14, 2011 at 13:19)
 another issue is the types of forces on carbon. the forces acted on a dh frame are insanely different from those on a set of bars. carbon is an amazing material for frames. I personally wouldnt use it as a dh bar because its not a great use structurally for carbon and the possibility of it snapping from grit on the stem face or simple failure leads to some gnarly crashes. Even the square edge of a stem itslef can cause it
  • + 0
flag rypurn (May 14, 2011 at 17:48)
 Well he could at least design something that doesn't make you gag at the sight of too.
  • + 2
flag spaced (May 15, 2011 at 5:05)
 cyfa - yup I forgot that word. If the wave and resin is correct (ie easton cnt bar) they will not fail catashrophicly how most people think about carbon.
  • + 3
flag Colin994 (May 15, 2011 at 12:32)
 rypurn chill out i think it looks ill. be open to something new and ride it before you bitch about its looks
  • + 2
flag bbeaudoin (May 16, 2011 at 0:03)
 Carbon only sucks if it has air in-between the layers or if you hit it against something and t get a hole in it otherwise it's amazing lighter and stronger than steel!
  • + 1
flag cyfa89 (May 16, 2011 at 5:02)
 some great points raised Smile
  • + 1
flag rypurn (May 17, 2011 at 19:20)
 All I'm sayin is that i wouldn't buy it, no matter how good it rides.
  • + 3
flag Colin994 (May 18, 2011 at 13:27)
 and all im sayin is youre being narrow minded and need to stop being a trend whore and see the other aspects of it
  • + 2
flag cyfa89 (May 19, 2011 at 6:23)
 colin - did you not realise pinkbike is trend whore central?!
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flag WAKIdesigns (May 13, 2011 at 1:34)
 I think the front triangle is the the sweetest I have ever seen, it just blown my belief, that everything has been said in DJ frame design department. Transfer seatstay to top tube is ozom! Low profile, smooth lines and transitions - from "designerish" point of veiw it's a masterpiece. It looks like BMX and MTB spawned a wonder child, taking only the best bits of both, and afterwards it was taken care of by some finest car design studio from Italy. I'm speechless. The idea how to make a super short chainstay is awesome too, if it allows for replaceable 24 or 26 wheel it's just damn sweet.

Though I'm more than sceptical about these dropouts as the force leverage is so long. Withstanding slamming it to the hard dj trails or concrete pavements might be tricky.

Anyways great design, fresh yet still simple
  • + 5
flag bigburd (May 13, 2011 at 2:10)
 Yep there is no way the back end is gonna stand up to heavy or over rotated landings like a regular triangle will , plus they could of achieved the same length chain stays witha normal rear triangle by just putting the brake mount under the chain stay.

Gimmick
  • + 3
flag teagues (May 13, 2011 at 13:11)
 My thoughts exactly...just looking at those dropouts made me think "damn, that's a long lever..."
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flag spinplay01 (May 14, 2011 at 5:12)
 If you take a minute to actually think and aren't a total retard, you will see that the rear of the frame is very strong.

The 4 bolts aren't doing a whole lot of "holding it together".
The bolts are simply holding the hardware together.
The solid dropouts slide into I-beam style chainstays. This takes care of forces from hard hits.
It is like a telescoping rod.
For example: take a camera tripod...
Slide one of the legs half way out then clamp it back down. Let's say the extended length is 3ft.
The rod inside of the other makes it stronger. You could take this 3ft section of leg and try to bend it, it would be way more difficult to bend it than a 3 ft section of straight pipe the same length.

The chainstays are square and wrap around the bottom bracket (really stiff)

If you exert force sideways, it isn't like you are putting a lot of pressure on the bolts.
The opposing chainstay is keeping the dropout firmly in place.

All of this boxed together with a 12mm axle is plenty strong enough. You would be more likely to pacman/fold rims or break pedals before the strength of this rear end would be a problem.

Good work James and Mike
  • + 1
flag damjandamjan (May 14, 2011 at 12:45)
 I agree with you that the rear is probably strong enough. However, in no way can it compare to strenght to weight ratio of that of a "normal" frame rear end design. Your comparison with the camera leg is true, but again, not according to the previously mentioned ratio. You could make a frame much stronger by adding lots of metal to its tubes, but that would make it heavy as.
  • + 0
flag powerline (May 15, 2011 at 17:14)
 Ya dam is right .The further you stick the rear wheel out on that cantilever the more it will multiply the force of an impact into the stays . It could be strong enough but doesn't seem worth the extra weight and time/cost to build. I could see this being one of those things that dumb techy nerds have to have . I think ill stick with the normal design that makes sense.
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flag konatrailblazer16 (May 13, 2011 at 1:50)
 Looks a bit diferent at 1st but I bet it rides realy well, 1 thing if you got a realy short back end then add a long drop out won't it ride like any other bike with a long back end ???
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flag cmount94 (May 14, 2011 at 18:03)
 I don't know why everyone is so upset at how the bike looks. I like to ride my bikes but maybe I'm crazy. If that thing shreds, then why the f*** wouldn't you like it?
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flag amacdonald (May 14, 2011 at 22:08)
 totally agree
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flag kelownian (May 13, 2011 at 17:24)
 lmfao at all the people saying "frame looks weak", or what ever im not trying to hate on anyone but come on (the pictures prove nothing), you have never rode it and for the people who have rode it, it seems to be holding up fine for them so don't go saying it will break until you ride one and break it yourself. I also think it looks dope, its a new design so let it have a chance before you go on dissing it.
  • + 0
flag jhume12 (May 16, 2011 at 23:01)
 looks so nice. probly preforms bad
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flag siradam (May 13, 2011 at 0:20)
 i love the front end but back end looks dodgy, that dropout arrangement just doesnt look strong
  • + 1
flag stp-0 (May 13, 2011 at 0:22)
 and also imagine getting something stuck in the tiny space between the wheel and the bb...ouch
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flag damjandamjan (May 13, 2011 at 2:06)
 Well the chainstay lenght isnt really extremely short, since most street, and even dirt frames nowadays features as short as possible ones. As for the bike, it might work just fine, however, i fail to see how it can so super stiff with that dropout mechanism.
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flag bxxer-rider (May 13, 2011 at 15:24)
 the 12mm drop out is probably helping a huge amount Wink
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flag damjandamjan (May 14, 2011 at 12:42)
 The diameter of the axle doesnt increase the lateral stiffness of the frame. Torsional, maybe, but not lateral.
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flag freddiehg (May 13, 2011 at 12:50)
 Im reading these comments on the bike and the aticle itself without seeing the actual product, (using a schools computer with IE6 or some shitty browser), and i must say, i cannot wait to see whats happening with this frame once i get home.
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flag Travis-Allen (May 29, 2011 at 9:28)
 I am just going to assume that all of you people that think it is "weak" are total mental retards who have downs syndrome. Spinplay01 has it right, try bending that chainstay. it is almost half an inch thick and at least 1.5 inches tall. with two of those going into SOLID ALUMINUM I BEAMS that is definatley laterally stiff. and if you think that you can jump high enough or land harder than a pro, you are wrong. the 1.5 inches of i would guess steel are not going to torsionally break or flex at all. the four bolts are simply for tensioning the chain. i think that they did an awesome job and you retards are just biased and conforming to the regular style. if all the people in the bike industry were like you idiots, we would still be riding fully rigid stumpjumpers.
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flag dkidd (May 13, 2011 at 0:47)
 Holy shit, the back end on that thing is almost as short as a dobermann! And only looks twice as torsionally flexy!
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flag liveless (May 14, 2011 at 3:54)
 Oh come on. almost one inch is quite much indeed. Dob 26": Chainstay length : 15'' (381 mm) on 26's, and this is 14.5" in proto part and they still could shave some.
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flag dkidd (May 14, 2011 at 9:48)
 14.68" for a dobermann at its shortest with a 26" wheel.
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flag crs-one (May 14, 2011 at 16:08)
 So how you figure 14.68" is shorter than 14.3"/14.5"?
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flag dkidd (May 14, 2011 at 16:10)
 magic numbers.
Or opposite Saturday. Whichever answer will put you in a better mood.
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flag GalenMac (Jul 17, 2011 at 17:13)
 dobermann's dead so it doesnt matter
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flag dkidd (Jul 17, 2011 at 20:34)
 not even close!
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flag ginged26dj (May 13, 2011 at 5:55)
 i can see the engineering behind it and what they have achieved is just amazing it maybe ugly to some but to break away from the current crop and push the boundaries of what's possible or impossible you have to give them props.i for 1 like it and to be honest how rarely do you look at the mantel piece when stoking the fire i think its awesome function over style
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flag levy666 (May 13, 2011 at 6:03)
 U should get used to the frame shape, or even more radical, because its the future of DJ bikes. Just like in trials bikes, it must be practical, not good looking. I am surprised why it took so long for the manufacturers to get the idea. Bravo Morpheus.
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flag louevilcyclist (May 13, 2011 at 15:51)
 The rear end just looks so much shorter because the main rear triangle is so small but it has that big ugly extension coming off the end. Doesn't seem like it would be that stiff with the extra pieces being bolted on instead of a solid frame all the way back to the axle.
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flag koncretekahuna (May 13, 2011 at 10:10)
 Seriously guys? Open your eyes! It's people like you that make MTB development so slow! Have your opinions on the look,but I'm pretty sure 99% aren't professional frame designers.don't judge a book by it's cover. Maybe something radical and new like this is what it takes to progress mountain biking,I think this design is very promising.keep in mind that's also the 1st Prototype,their has been another,and we will probably see a third. Many proto dj frames look like the inside of your Bowles after eating taco bell. Give it some time.this will be a standard frame designs in a few years I'm betting. All I know is I'm getting one ASAP. Think what you want,but make sure you know what your talking about first, cheers.
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flag Parkerridesakona (May 13, 2011 at 16:40)
 do want... *drool*. I don't understand what all you guys are on about. It doesn't look that bad, and it looks like it rides fantastically. The chainstay adjustment looks nice, too.
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flag michaelbiorn (May 13, 2011 at 1:29)
 The dj bike is taking on some more bmx characteristics. Same short end, just with 26in wheels. Why wouldn't it whip and tuck better? I'm neither against it nor for it but I can see the advantages. Take a look at Chubey throwing a 360 double whip. http://vimeo.com/23089408
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flag mihaik (May 13, 2011 at 22:35)
 When I saw the first picture i loved the way it looked (except for the colour, but maybe that is just me).
The dropouts are something new and maybe weird for some , but if they work as they should, I say why not...respect for the engineer/designer of the frame.
The only question i have is: since the clearance between the rear wheel and the frame is so small...wouldn't that limit your tire choice?
Anyway looking forward to seeing this frame in shops.
Good luck in the future!
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flag Terrafire (May 13, 2011 at 16:50)
 I respect the design, but the shear forces that are imparted to just four dropout bolts are too large to ignore. And being laterally stiff is something that I really couldnt see. I would have to ride the proto to get a good opinion of it
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flag lenmerderdenfer (May 14, 2011 at 10:27)
 I guess the comment about their bike being more laterally stiff than the competition applies to Specialized's bikes too. Does it? If so indicate explicitly your bloody guarantee on your website. It is all to easy to throw powder in my eyes. In addition the front of your DJ bike looks really nice, love the color, but the back is truly unnecessary. Is it not?
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flag cyfa89 (May 13, 2011 at 4:57)
 looks like they borrowed the dropouts off an old cannondale

many of them are still around

so no, its not a new thing
people need to do their research before they start disliking something


baaa
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flag Jacko6793 (May 13, 2011 at 0:22)
 ilja and jamie-meaden just show how unordinary this frame/bike is and because there is nothing like it ,opinions differ extremely, which i beleive is a greatt thing for the sport. we may be seeing more bikes with this kind of frame if the feedback is like that above and thats only for the first proto i wonder what the feedback will be like for the second and even the finished product!!! cant wait!
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flag str8dwn (May 14, 2011 at 21:15)
 Applaud innovation, but are we solving a non-problem here? Why the need to have dropouts that flip-flop for DJ and slalom/4x? Not like you're going to run a single speed competitively on the slalom course or flip-flop your dropouts and remove your 9sp drivetrain for the day on the DJ course? Just curious.
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flag ParkVidaRider (Jul 12, 2011 at 20:43)
 i dont how that real axel and drop-outs, i saw a kid doin double flip whips like it was nothing, looked unreal, at 24 pounds i would not be complaining. i am rocking a 2008 rocky mountain flow DJ SE it is still bomb proof to this day!
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flag mayardmtbeames (May 13, 2011 at 0:42)
 i think its going to be a mixed review, the frame looks nice, but guys, really, your riding a 26" bike not a 24" so a tiny frame like that looks stupid, make it a bit bigger.
now my most concerning thought, the dropouts, regardless of how strong they are, something like that isnt going to last riding big jumps andf slopestyle... and it looks crap. also why would you want to race 4x on your dj bike ?
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flag downhillnirvana (May 16, 2011 at 10:39)
 i duno, i thought the idea of the seat stays running down to the rear axle was to create strength. there's going to be a lof of un nessesary loading onto the welds and metalwork at the bottom of the rear triangle. i think there'll be quite a few folk who need replacement dropout sections after a while running this frame. looks funky tho
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flag downhillnirvana (May 16, 2011 at 10:43)
 engeneering 101, "T R I A N G L E". the rear end is going to suffer un nessesary forces. the concept of an adjustable rear dropout would work just as well in a design that encomplaces itself within the structual lines of the rear triangle. as most manufacturers do.
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flag Shred420 (May 14, 2011 at 3:02)
 I know its function over form,but that is 1 of the ugliest bikes i've ever seen! Can't stand seeing flat dh bars on hardtails either. 'KacuxD' summed it up in 4 words.lol. This looks like shit!!!
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flag phobospwns (May 14, 2011 at 7:16)
 The rear drop outs remind me of the old Cannondales, with the cantilever beam look. Remember what happened to all those drop outs? Hence the name Crack-n-fail. I'm not a fan. The front triangle looks pretty rad though.
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flag doubledeuce (May 14, 2011 at 9:39)
 I guess its a hate-it or love-it sort of deal. I am not a big fan of the dropouts, as they seem..... I guess against the rules of phsyics..something sticking out so far, and so long, seems like a weak point (I would imagine the first part breaking, if anything were to break that is....). I DO admire the top tube clearance, and I like keeping an open mind, so I think this could be something cool!

I would love to try one out, even just a manual in a parking lot or something, just to see how it feels Smile
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flag Willie1 (May 13, 2011 at 7:31)
 I really like this frame. I would recommend a BB30 bottom bracket or american with BB30 adapter. My recent experience with BB30 has sold me on the concept. The functionality og the frame design is amazing. I am sure the dropouts will be cleaned up for production.

So many kids posting "looks like a copy of...." with familiar frame designs, but....

"Its too different. I just puked...." with innovation.

Sigh!!!!.........
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flag woodline (May 13, 2011 at 8:40)
 yeah actually i don't like the look of the bike, but the idea of the changing of the geometry is very good!!
but the question is if you really need such possibilities to change the geometry?
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flag Railgunner (May 13, 2011 at 15:30)
 Formula stickers Juicy brake well formula DID make all the juicy brakes because avid couldnt at the time LOLZ so i guess it works for the sponsor in a way hey
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flag dchill (May 13, 2011 at 0:20)
 That is the ugliest bike ever
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flag JokerMachine (May 13, 2011 at 11:18)
 Looks like shit, probably weak as hell, solution to a nonexistent problem, much better solutions around, blah blah blah. It's all been said already.
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flag Brooklynuk85 (May 13, 2011 at 17:16)
 I could live with it if they did something about those sliding dropouts... im sure they work very well and riders will love them for their functionality etc but aesthetically its no better than afterbirth
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flag jamesyb1991 (May 13, 2011 at 5:27)
 nice front end and stand over height but that rear end doesn't look like it could take much abuse. putting a cantilever force as they say into those poorish looking ally welds, looks ripe for a cracking that rear end. and they say extraordinary short rear end ?? iv got a last rufus frame with 14.6 inch chain stays , nothing new to me. must say looks nice and light though,
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flag esolo1017 (Feb 14, 2012 at 21:12)
 I have rode the bike on more then one occasion and it rides like a dream, its light as can be and is just as stiff as my jackal. the geo is great. Its worth giving it a shot before just saying its ugly and isnt strong
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flag AlexK92 (May 13, 2011 at 2:00)
 I'll probably warm up to it but i still can't stand DJ bikes with atlases or any other nearly flat DH bar
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flag mongoose85 (May 13, 2011 at 10:39)
 Im new to the DJ segment 'have a TralKing myself' but something tells me there are going to be a lot of frame failures right at that first weld on the rear triangle where the drop outs would normally be.
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flag A1exflobmx (May 13, 2011 at 1:38)
 i like it, but itss ugly at the same time
regardless prtotype or not
- the welds look shoddy
- the back extender thing seems like it will break with a heavy slam

i like the frame concept though the shape will be better for throwing your leg over the top tube, i think they just need to go back and redesign the extendable dropout
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flag EuanBisset145 (May 13, 2011 at 6:02)
 So you must be a fully qualified welder before you can tell how good the welds are, being a welder myself those welds look fine visually to me. Maybe you could describe what makes you think they look shoddy i.e any defects you've spotted. Also the extending dropout should be plenty strong, I guess the dropouts on my session 10 should snap too if that's the case? It's not the most beautiful bike in all aspects but you can't make a valid point on strength just by looking at a few pictures, anyway the dropouts must be at least 25mm in height which is reasonably chunky.
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flag starcbiker (May 13, 2011 at 14:02)
 I'm a welder also (certified in stick but have done some TIG) and while they appear to be strong, they aren't the prettiest i've seen. it almost looks like they were welded too cold plus it seems that some beads overlap in a kinda ugly way ( referring to the picture of the BB) buuuut its a prototype so not a big deal, the welds are plenty strong but could be cleaned up a little.
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flag A1exflobmx (May 13, 2011 at 15:35)
 im saying this at the angle of ive watched my uncle weld cars as he works for chartwell motors (he works onferrarisand other top range sports cars)
and yeah i was regarding the size and overlapping beading

and yes agreed it is a prototype so yanno probly a lot more well rounded further on
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flag supercruizer1 (May 13, 2011 at 18:09)
 Every welder is different. There's no undercut, every weld (thats seen) is tied in. So shoddy welds may not be the proper description. Maybe not the absolute prettiest is more adequate?
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flag A1exflobmx (May 14, 2011 at 1:07)
 thats what i ment, just couldnt get the words down
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flag willrules (May 14, 2011 at 14:14)
 if you put tires on it that were any nobbyer the rear wheel would probably not spin... but other than that i think the geometry of the frame is sick and it would really fun to ride!
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flag I-ride-243racing (May 14, 2011 at 15:52)
 That is the ugliest frame i have ever seen,i bet i would ride great. they did so much work to have short chainstays by bending the seatube like that,those dropouts don't seen to strong to me but i guess if Chubey shreds it like he does than they must be.
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flag fizshi (May 13, 2011 at 4:04)
 so its different, dont know if i like it or not though. maybe if they cleaned it and didnt put scratched up components on it for the photoshoot iwould like it. its definately different..
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flag irodetoday (May 14, 2011 at 8:30)
 Every so often something new and different comes along to progress our sport.....here it is!
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flag benhallas96 (May 16, 2011 at 10:50)
 I really am a fan of these, people have there own opinions and so do I. It's different not just the same old dirt jump bike, and that's why I like it.
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flag drop20 (May 13, 2011 at 6:37)
 i think that it looks okay not the "cleanest" looking frame i would prefer something simpiler. but it looks like it rides great and i would love to try one out XD
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flag HAMHAM (May 15, 2011 at 10:19)
 nope. nasty. does not appeal to me at all, but then again neither do a lot of other bikes. id have a shot to see how it rides but i would never have one.
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flag eandal (May 14, 2011 at 12:34)
 I really do not like how the frame looks. I like the idea of a really short back end, but the frame looks so bad. I'm good with my thin tubed steel frame.
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flag TheArbez (Sep 29, 2011 at 22:17)
 That bike looks sick, and if I have the money I'll totally buy it. Stop being narrow minded people, as others have said those dropouts may become the norm pretty soon
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flag mattyc1990 (May 13, 2011 at 8:54)
 cant say it looks too nice tbh, and the geo looks horrible, it looks more like a trials sort of frame, but thats just my opinion
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flag PLC07 (May 13, 2011 at 4:55)
 It looks fantastic. It's by thinking outside of the box that you create great products. Copying what has already been done only gets you so far.
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flag levivanderkwaak (May 13, 2011 at 0:56)
 wonder what the price point for a frame will be, the tubing reminds me of brodie hard tail free ride bikes mixed with a trials bike, interesting.
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flag alex21 (May 14, 2011 at 14:10)
 maby im crazy but I dont find this ugly at all... I want one.
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flag svdhrider (May 13, 2011 at 18:59)
 all that thing needs is a flashy paintjob and some sick components and it will look sav. looks like a cross between a jackal and a p2 with a week ass chasis lol.
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flag davidstuartkelly (May 14, 2011 at 3:17)
 Nice Components only, That is yet another "FUGLY BIKE"...Neg props here we come..
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flag AidenCrocker (May 13, 2011 at 5:32)
 i really f*cking hope this look doesnt take off, its absoulutely disgusting. its the susan boyle of frames.
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flag hasu (May 13, 2011 at 9:18)
 after seeing the rear end I just can`t help asking....isn`t there any rider weight limit? the rear end doesn`t really look bombproof
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flag santacruzbullit5 (May 13, 2011 at 5:25)
 im not an engineer or anything but i feel like the back wheel would snap off the frame it were hit too hard
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flag foghorn1 (May 13, 2011 at 21:12)
 This bike is well made, but ill conceived. The same functions could easily be achieved with less weight if the seatstays went way closer to the axle. I wouldn't buy it.
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flag Bob-95-mtb (May 14, 2011 at 3:17)
 I really love the look of this it looks so nice.... you can all neg prop me if you want Smile
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flag tHickman95 (May 18, 2011 at 8:41)
 *hi5* ;D
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flag Devinallan000x (May 14, 2011 at 16:14)
 stop hating on the bike ?
its got a sick look and its diffrent
and you guys havent even rode the god dam thing
god forbid if a dj frame was actually diffrent >.
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flag theflyingsquirrel (May 14, 2011 at 9:52)
 the optical illusion from not having the seatstay meet the rear hub makes the rear wheel look mutant huge, cool idea, but ugly.
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flag FLAtransplant (May 13, 2011 at 6:10)
 I've ridden this bike! And trust me, Mike and James have done an awesome thing here! Say what you want about it's appearance, this thing rides so sick!
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flag crash-brother (May 15, 2011 at 15:09)
 I think it looks a little... odd, but lots of new technology looks a little odd at first. Wait and see what the industry does, if it really works, you'll see more like it.
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flag bettycahoose (May 13, 2011 at 11:06)
 thats dope i like it so damn much yah boy get sum
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flag austincampell (May 13, 2011 at 12:06)
 I saw Chubey on that at Post office and thought it was the sickest dj frame i had ever seen, soo sickk
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flag Motoracer31 (May 13, 2011 at 11:29)
 dammmm that is thee grossest bike I have ever seen. I mean it may be a little bit better than something else but is it going to make your tricks better?? I doubt it! Gross gross gross. i feel like they could have used the same geo in a more pleasing bike to the eye. cause I hate to say it but people do buy based on looks, and i feel like alotta people will not even look at this bicycle
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flag evomtb (May 13, 2011 at 14:03)
 even more people dont, and dont buy a frame that 'looks nice' so they can pose and pretend they can ride
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flag jjc2222 (May 13, 2011 at 11:14)
 I love that its so slim!!! must be so easy to flip!! have got to have me one of those just to try!!
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flag Dirtlove-J (May 16, 2011 at 5:41)
 i don't think ist ugly!
the drop out things are a bit weird but further i like it
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flag ben-townley1254 (May 15, 2011 at 3:57)
 its nice i think bikes the stand out are the one you want to buy , any one know now much this cost! Razz
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flag shahar415 (May 14, 2011 at 20:46)
 the fork is the only good looking thing on that dj
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flag psynide (May 15, 2011 at 2:07)
 some how, i have my doubts on the drop out thingy. too cantilevered for my taste
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flag The-Banders (May 14, 2011 at 16:21)
 the drop outs i just don't know about. I think they will break, snap or bend.
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flag The-Banders (May 19, 2011 at 1:46)
 I take that bike I talked to someone who.seen it in person at post office. I trust this person and they say those drop outs are stiff as hell and this thing is solid. Looks bitchin if nothing else.
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flag s-t-e-v-o (May 13, 2011 at 10:44)
 future of dirt jumping my arse (in future they should design a bike that doesn't look this horrid)
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flag bikeperson45 (May 13, 2011 at 13:12)
 That looks strangely awesome, and I'm sure it looks better in person. Pimpin'
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flag derry6564 (May 13, 2011 at 13:49)
 it looks more like it should be a 24" not a 26"
shorten the dropouts and i'm sure i'd be sweet!
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flag JuanDPozo (May 13, 2011 at 14:06)
 ugly bike
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flag brahma-design (May 13, 2011 at 13:04)
 front end looks amazing! but the back end is bloody ugly! keep the front end change the back and we're on to a winner
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flag Patrick0815 (May 13, 2011 at 12:11)
 I really like the look of the bike and it looks like you can have a lot of fun with this thing
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flag bebemonk4ever (May 13, 2011 at 4:00)
 i would NOT trust in that frame... look at the dropouts... wtf is that????????????? they should name it "morpheus snap my dropouts" xD
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flag shredhard (May 13, 2011 at 8:15)
 that thing has been hit with the ugly stick!
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flag duartep (May 13, 2011 at 3:54)
 Well, I love it!
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flag bruc321 (May 13, 2011 at 2:01)
 Such a nice looking frame
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flag tristanjackson (May 13, 2011 at 1:55)
 I think I just threw up a little!!
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flag citizenlee (May 13, 2011 at 4:46)
 I like it. Reminds me of a slimmed down 08 Jackal.
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flag zumajevs (May 13, 2011 at 5:01)
 i like it very,but i think bike is nicer with another colorSmile_
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flag sam264 (May 13, 2011 at 5:52)
 I can't decide whether it's the ugliest thing i've seen in ages, or really cool looking...
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flag jaykink (May 13, 2011 at 6:23)
 that frame is gonna have so many complaints about the rear wheel falling off!!!
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flag j-maul (May 13, 2011 at 5:45)
 I like it and I'm gona buy one as soon as there realesed, as long as they do a few color options
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flag miss (May 13, 2011 at 7:20)
 kinda nicew shitty rear end though
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flag taffy047 (May 13, 2011 at 7:32)
 looks vile !
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flag Tehran-Rider (May 13, 2011 at 0:30)
 I think it's super dope, nice setup too, whats the wheel set?
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flag beckhead (May 13, 2011 at 3:11)
 Industry nine
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flag timkoerber (May 13, 2011 at 8:33)
 Handmade here in Asheville, NC and some of the best wheels on the market. Industrynine.net
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flag kylecaissie (May 13, 2011 at 2:49)
 stunning D: almost as beatifull as my mother
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flag Ross05 (May 13, 2011 at 9:55)
 it kinda looks like something my dog would regurgitate.
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flag thevish Plus (May 13, 2011 at 0:28)
 good bye chain tensioners, hello Morpheus.. wow
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flag dkidd (May 13, 2011 at 0:48)
 frame tensioners... the way of the future?
Or were you referring to sliding dropouts. Which are... somehow new?
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flag joem90 (May 13, 2011 at 10:13)
 Personally I think it looks pretty cool! Though Working to get such a low frame, the seat should be able go lower too!
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flag crunchss (May 13, 2011 at 0:27)
 Reminds me of a mod trials frame; really like the colour though. Can someone tell me what the little bit sticking out on the side of the head tube is?
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flag stevehayes (May 13, 2011 at 0:37)
 It's a housing/hydraulic line tab, so you can use a zip-tie to secure it to your frame.
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flag crunchss (May 13, 2011 at 0:59)
 Ahh! Brake being run down the other side confused me for a second! Cheers!
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flag octalex (May 13, 2011 at 0:16)
 this bike is sick!
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flag newbikesoon (May 13, 2011 at 0:21)
 good idea for the dropouts..its unique
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flag jaykink (May 13, 2011 at 6:24)
 they are just gonna snap!!!
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flag newbikesoon (May 13, 2011 at 10:24)
 doubt it
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flag bikebreaker (May 13, 2011 at 0:30)
 That drop out system looks weak as f*ck.
I think its looks sick....purely becuase its totally different!
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flag SpecializedRiderRob (May 13, 2011 at 9:54)
 not gunna lie, it looks pretty sweet, low standover, short chainstays, light. The dropouts are new, no need for chain tugs or tensioners. sweet Big Grin
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flag ChinoJ10 (Jun 29, 2011 at 21:50)
 Needs a name and release date ! I want it now Big Grin
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flag Oscarmonk (May 15, 2011 at 2:15)
 it looks crap, but i can imagine it rides pretty sick
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flag freirider (May 13, 2011 at 5:16)
 Bad design, it would have lots of flex and eventually break.
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flag superstar92 (May 14, 2011 at 8:29)
 what the hell

lets go crazy it looks very ugly..........
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flag bike4christ (May 13, 2011 at 1:04)
 Interesting design, almost looks like a mod trials frame made to fit 26in wheels...
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flag Bobi95 (May 13, 2011 at 23:54)
 hah nice idea and looks good : )
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flag PowerMoves (May 13, 2011 at 6:24)
 Props for trying something different, but Damn, thats not pleasing to the eyes lol
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flag mvonhollen (May 13, 2011 at 21:20)
 Looks so nimble and trick-able, holy guacamole.
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flag gclarida (May 15, 2011 at 8:32)
 personally i love how that looks.
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flag mozarle (May 13, 2011 at 23:41)
 I find it hard to believe, 200+ comments for this bike...
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flag jaybird951 (May 13, 2011 at 5:08)
 trials bike and dirt jumper,...i like it...sell me one now...
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flag mountainprimate101 Plus (May 16, 2011 at 10:46)
 not to sure if i like the geometry
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flag alex21 (May 14, 2011 at 14:12)
 whats with the rubber stuff around the bb and crank??
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flag Ben-S (May 14, 2011 at 22:11)
 Keeps the cranks from spinning when doing no-footed tricks
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flag tylerthegiant (May 15, 2011 at 22:26)
 dude that thing is sweet. i want it
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flag hendu (May 14, 2011 at 14:28)
 The word fugly was made for exactly this reason.
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flag Smerth (May 13, 2011 at 3:39)
 unreal cool)
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flag lylepurdy (May 15, 2011 at 18:15)
 When's this gonna be available? I kinda want one
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flag ridedabrodie (May 14, 2011 at 11:41)
 order me a super cycle instead bahahaha
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flag norcalbiker0802 (May 14, 2011 at 21:50)
 don't know how i feel about those drop outs
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flag Dirt-Street-Park (May 13, 2011 at 1:18)
 Your dropouts are 5" long, and your frame looks like puke.


Your argument is invalid.
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flag shred-i (May 14, 2011 at 10:12)
 That thing is and looks like a piece....a shitty looking bike out of New York who would of thunk, thats never happened(i'm lookin' at you bmw) hahahaha!
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flag t3rry Mod Plus (May 15, 2011 at 9:07)
 sexy bike, I'd have no qualms riding one
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flag taletotell (May 13, 2011 at 20:02)
 Seatstays reaching further back would make it look less melted.
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flag over9000ninja (May 13, 2011 at 21:25)
 that could also be used as a trials bike
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flag peddlepusher15 (May 13, 2011 at 8:49)
 dont like the drop outs though kinda sketchy
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flag commanderagl (May 13, 2011 at 13:37)
 If anything that thing looks excellent for trials
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flag B-STOCK (May 13, 2011 at 13:14)
 to be honest i kind of like the looks of the bike....
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flag Ben-S (May 14, 2011 at 22:11)
 Me too
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flag dom69foco (May 13, 2011 at 14:09)
 what's that thing on the non-drive side crank?
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flag mitch1616 (May 13, 2011 at 15:31)
 It is so the cranks dont spin when your feet are off
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flag dom69foco (May 14, 2011 at 4:14)
 ahh clever
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flag DIRTY-DH-DJ (May 13, 2011 at 15:31)
 that could make some awesome 26inch street trial frame, with a few geo changes.
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flag freighttrain123 (May 13, 2011 at 15:45)
 i dont think anny bike (exept trials) needs sooooo much standover
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flag RGonz (May 13, 2011 at 15:36)
 I think it looks pretty sick
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flag yasha (May 13, 2011 at 8:55)
 the frame is to compact
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flag ummevan (May 13, 2011 at 9:43)
 I like the fork
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flag jonnyfaulkner Plus (May 13, 2011 at 10:17)
 I was just sick in my mouth
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flag DJRYNO4LIFE (May 13, 2011 at 10:49)
 thats gross and the dropouts look like shit
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flag kawi008 (May 13, 2011 at 10:47)
 i love it. when are they sposed to be available???
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flag mitch1616 (May 13, 2011 at 12:11)
 hopefully 6-8 months!
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flag fergiesindahoose (May 13, 2011 at 11:10)
 they should rename it the ''subo''
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flag simonsilver (May 13, 2011 at 9:43)
 Honestly I don't know what to think
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flag kawi008 (May 13, 2011 at 12:22)
 thanks mitch!
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flag jamie-meaden (May 13, 2011 at 0:09)
 such a low standover... pretty sick lookin too
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flag downhillbmxican (May 13, 2011 at 0:21)
 Seems incredbly ugly to me, however performance benefits do outway looks EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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flag dkidd (May 13, 2011 at 0:48)
 assuming they are actually there in the first place.
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flag xenophile (May 13, 2011 at 2:34)
 I agree bmxican, hideous to look at. But maybe it's performance will superb. I'm not at all a fan of that dropout system. Simplicity rules for me, especially for a DJ.
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flag Rasterman Plus (May 13, 2011 at 14:08)
 Next up, carbon dirt jumper! Seems like it would be a huge advantage with whipping around a lightweight bike when doing tricks.
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flag nomnom (May 13, 2011 at 19:49)
 I think it looks good to be honest, and really like how they manipulated the steel, thought it was an aluminium frame before i read this article. The rear end im not a fan about because of the way pressure would be placed on the drop out and therefore resulting in the frame bending at that top point of where the drop out inserts into of the frame. Unless they totally have it figured out, until it hits production i guess one will find out. Nice build too!
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flag dkidd (May 13, 2011 at 23:21)
 ummm... dude, it's alu. Look at the welds. If that's steel I'll eat my shirt.
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flag nomnom (May 13, 2011 at 23:28)
 Yeah, I have my self a little cunfused on that note because I read this on a little iPod, and it was implied that it was steel so I suspected it was, believe me I looked into the welding a bit more after I wrote that and then realized that it's aluminum because of the size of the welds and realized that i couldn't change what I wrote, so that's my mistake boys.
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flag masterbailer (May 14, 2011 at 8:47)
 Im getting it
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flag banshee-ripper (May 18, 2011 at 15:20)
 Very sexxy, the only thing I don't agree with is the cantilever drop-outs(there's a reason cannondale stopped using that set-up... it's not very strong)... Other than that, looks great!
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flag TheAsianWhoShropesDirtJumps (Apr 18, 2012 at 13:24)
 I don't think it's ugly, it kinda looks like a trials bike, you know? But bigger.
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flag AJferrer (May 13, 2011 at 16:13)
 Did anyone else notice the chips on the bike?
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flag mak411 (May 13, 2011 at 15:23)
 looks nimble
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flag togood2die (May 13, 2011 at 19:22)
 That.
Is.
Insane.
WAY too TIGHT.
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flag n1ck (May 13, 2011 at 18:14)
 Those dropouts look like a warranty nightmare.
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flag seang14 (May 13, 2011 at 6:29)
 what the hell is the angle of the cross bar
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flag j-sgotrhythm (May 13, 2011 at 17:13)
 Looks like you could loose your nuttsack to the rear wheel pretty easily!
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flag mdowney (May 13, 2011 at 17:04)
 thats the ugliest bike ive ever seen...
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flag Street-Park (May 13, 2011 at 19:14)
 one word...horrible,it look worst than my ass.
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flag pokalface (May 13, 2011 at 17:04)
 yeah that kind of weld and adaptor look so tin
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flag nigeria (May 13, 2011 at 19:24)
 coolest geometry gotta be a nice ride.......!!!!!!!!!1
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flag lordofthedirt (May 13, 2011 at 12:53)
 gimme 2 minutes and id snap the back wheel off that thang
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flag looking-4-bikes (Jul 25, 2011 at 23:12)
 such a nice bike
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flag konashonky98 (May 13, 2011 at 7:52)
 ULGY !!!!
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flag DHr4life (May 13, 2011 at 7:58)
 ya NASTE TO THE MAX
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flag nigeria (May 14, 2011 at 21:35)
 had a great day with the proto today thanks morpheus.!!!
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flag mattyc1990 (May 13, 2011 at 8:56)
 it looks so olike my old onza t-pro frmae
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flag BILLpunkrockXD (May 14, 2011 at 5:57)
 fit a skinnier seat and i think it might look hot...
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flag connorjrunge (May 13, 2011 at 0:25)
 Wth
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flag KonaBrother2 (May 13, 2011 at 19:47)
 i saw this bike at sea otter it was awesome
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flag cbginger7 (Nov 14, 2011 at 11:41)
 i want it now
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flag darter44 (May 13, 2011 at 16:49)
 if this isnt the nicest clean looking frame i dont know what is
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flag ElVenezuelan (May 13, 2011 at 18:19)
 QUE verga tan fea !!!!!!
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flag chadrennie (May 13, 2011 at 22:38)
 this bike is awesome Smile people thinking other wise have to be retarded
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flag hemski69 (May 13, 2011 at 6:17)
 f*cking sweet! you can change dropouts and ride even with 29"s?
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flag doctorwot (May 13, 2011 at 1:09)
 even tho im so far down o one will ever read it i feel so strongly about this frame im gonna say it anyway. f*ckkk that is ugly
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flag Tr-Toby (May 13, 2011 at 2:57)
 sorry didn't mean to neg prop you.
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flag joaopm15 (May 13, 2011 at 10:39)
 beautifull beutifull omg more beutifull
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flag BigWills (May 13, 2011 at 8:38)
 Sweet ride!
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flag Bikebro69 (May 13, 2011 at 4:08)
 wow that looks terrible Frown
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flag chrisbarney (May 13, 2011 at 4:41)
 i like it.
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flag connor-H (May 13, 2011 at 6:56)
 Thats so ugly, but at the same time SO sick?!
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flag GustavoSoares (May 13, 2011 at 14:53)
 SICK!!
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flag progressionobsession (May 13, 2011 at 13:24)
 Hmmmm... I dunno.
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flag tank97 (May 13, 2011 at 13:38)
 i like it
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flag peddlepusher15 (May 13, 2011 at 8:48)
 super dope!
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flag rubbman (May 13, 2011 at 5:09)
 my lousy jumping skills(i am a master in case study) would break that frame! Kind cool though.
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flag KacuxD (May 13, 2011 at 3:48)
 This looks like shit!!!
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flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 10:42)
 Love it, or hate it. Those chainstays are f*cking done in a week.
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flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 10:44)
 And it's ugly as f*ck.
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flag mitch1616 (May 13, 2011 at 12:12)
 Ive had 5 weeks and I probably ride it a lot harder than you and they are holding up just fine.
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flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 13:26) (Below Threshold) show comment
 You ride it alot hard than me because I wouldn't even touch that thing with a ten foot pole.

You have no idea how hard I ride, so let's not go there. I could break them in three days, I garuntee it. Not because I am hack, but because they are just plates of aluminum that are held on by a couple allen-bolts can, and will break.

Simplicity is key, this bike, is not simple.

All that needs to be said.
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flag webbe (May 13, 2011 at 15:02)
 You do realise you're talking to Mitch Chubey, as in the guy who's bike this is. A fully sponsored rider who helped develop the bike, dare say he has slightly more knowledge of the dropout system than you do.
Strange design, really different but it kinda works for me, the dropouts could be tidied up a bit and maybe a bit higher tob tube or lower seat and I'd say it looked sick, front end is already there. Good to see some innovation though, not just following the standard dirt jump frame design.
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flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 15:26)
 You do realize that Mitch Chubey, a fully sponsored rider, is not going to say something derogative about his sponsors bike, do you not ? I'm also a sponsored rider, I know how shit goes down.

What I'm saying is that the dropouts are just not what 80% of people want. There's too much that can go wrong with them.

I know it's different but it doesn't seem beneficial to me at all. What if it breaks ? Then you're fram becomes useless, where as you probably wouldn't have a broken dropout with a conventional system.
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flag mitch1616 (May 13, 2011 at 15:40)
 How about Ill leave you my bike in Vernon when I come up for goat style or maybe you prefer to meet in Kelowna earlier, and you can call me 3 days later when you snapped it.
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flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 16:16)
 Go right ahead.

And you can garuntee me they 100% will not bend/break by me riding as hard as I can.

I find that hokey.
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flag Kawasaki80 (May 13, 2011 at 17:04)
 are you going to break it on you're BMX track? hahaha
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flag mikedekoning (May 13, 2011 at 17:05)
 What I find "hokey" is that your slamming his bike saying you "wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole", and it's "ugly as f*ck", but your criticizing the strength of it. You've never even seen this bike I bet, never mind rode one. You looked at a couple pictures and came to your conclusion? Great. You do not know what your talking about. I'm sure there's research gone into this bike/chain stays before they put a professional rider on it. Maybe you should win a contest and 360 double whip your bike before you beak pictures of Chubey's. Props to Morpheus for trying something different.
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flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 17:12)
 kawasaki- I do it all, Dj, Race, Park, Dh.

If they were to beef the dropouts up, I would trust it.

I wouldn't trust that thing. That's all I'm really saying, so calm the f*ck down. I know how I ride, and I'm saying that I would most likely break the drop outs.

God you kids are moody. I am entitled to my own opinion, I'm also not scared to speak it.
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flag supercruizer1 (May 13, 2011 at 18:14)
 I see you stir the pot every where you go! HAHA. Just bustin...
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flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 18:16)
 You should know me by now Razz
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flag Bmxerch (May 13, 2011 at 21:37)
 Also, here's what mitch said in the interview " It was so sketchy three weeks ago when I got it "

Yet he tells me he's had it five weeks. Yeah, okay.
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flag Anthony-Messere (May 14, 2011 at 11:08)
 Bike feels great that is that
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flag t3rry Mod Plus (May 15, 2011 at 9:09)
 BMXerch - you should know that articles on PB don't get published as soon as they are submitted. It's quite possible the article has sat on the shelf for 2+weeks.
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flag mirdad (May 15, 2011 at 10:21)
 hey bmxerch you are a serious d-bag. you go off on how hard you ride then get mad when everyone points out that you are talking to a contest winner that rode the bike to victory. Get over yourself. I get free stuff too so am I a "sponsored" rider? does my opinion count now? Im over 200lbs and I guess I ride "hard" but I would trust it. its called flow ya douche, get some. , grow up, its a bike thats funky and you can rip it all the way to the top of the podium. and who the hell is breaking their bikes in a week? you need to learn how to ride. and you can tell me how awesome you are and everything, I dont care, stay focused on your ride, and dont ride out of your ability level and maybe you wont wreck and break your shit in a week. dumbass.
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flag mirdad (May 15, 2011 at 10:23)
 that being said. the bike is sweet looking. great job, can't wait to see the production models, NY baby!
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flag Bmxerch (May 15, 2011 at 10:40)
 It does not matter who you are talking to. If someone is sponsored, of course they aren't going to say derogative things about their sponsors bike, just like I'm not going to say anything bad about my sponsors bikes and components, een though many people will.

Riding outside of where your ability level only makes you better. If you say that you can't be serious. Again, I know how I ride, and it's definitely not hack.

I honestly don't care who says what, I wouldnt trust it. If they were thicker, I would.
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